Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:52 pm

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:Modeled on the Autobahn and fails to come close in every conceivable way!


Come on it's not that bad. But I did hear the autobahn roads are like 18" thick! If they get a tiny ding in the road they replace a whole section.



Right, thats how they can drive at 150mph, don't try that here at home....
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:00 pm

Dan, Reagan raised taxes more than lowered, Ike got the interstate for defense purposes & your exactly right compromise, it's something they used to do for the good of the country. Klook, you must live under a rock somewhere, go ahead & put your life in for profit hands, most hospitals that go under do so because of not getting paid for treatment that they have to provide. Many of the ERs are staffed by a group of Doc.s , same goes for many X-Ray Dept.s & such that's why there are so many different billings. Businesses go out & come back under different names, it's done all the time. How about those people out in the mid west, they could just watch everything burn, the fires would go out sooner or later. Same for the floods, the water would go back down none of those dikes & levies are needed, all I'm doing is pointing out a very few of the things we all pay for & think nothing of.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:10 pm

The only solution is to drop out and stop supporting the DemoPublicans, or anyone else for that matter. My simple advice is to not vote. Every vote cast to put someone in power at any level is one that is functionally granting your permission to some political thug to do your dirty work for you indiscreetly and without you having to admit to anything, even to yourself, in that you have granted your sanction to one person or group to oppress another person or group of people on your behalf. In somehow or some way each vote cast is assured to be oppressing and offensive to those who voted differently than you did. Without your initial knowledge (or perhaps due to a lack of knowledge), you may even be casting a vote of consent which will ultimately oppress your very self or your family (see my tag line). If a clear majority ever failed to vote, perhaps it would send a message that voting will never send.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:17 pm

The same rock as you apparently. :) You don't think the gov. workers profit from their positions of power to extort business? As you said, food is still bad, the highways and bridges suck, doctors kill people all the time. What is different except your feeling better that the gov. has your back??? :D

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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:25 pm

Fires??? You think men put out the fires?? If the conditions dont comply, nothing will stop those fires. Dikes and levies??? How did the Katrina thing work out. Gov. workers and congress not paying attention and paying in general to keep them up, upgrade them, so they failed. Nobody went to jail or were fined were they???? So what? People died, happens all the time. When a bridge fails and people die, who is held responsible??? No one thats who. If it were a private company responsible, someone would pay. Don't tell me gov. makes anything it is involved with better.

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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:25 pm

lsayre wrote: My simple advice is to not vote.


Please think that over. Our voting is a sacred right; even if it is a shell and a shadow of what it once was. I have buddies that never vote that are registering to get the Usurper defeated.

I know it's all getting very discouraging, lesser of two evils granted, four more years of this insanity will be the end.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:30 pm

But will things change with a different demon??

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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:32 pm

I will not be deterred. I intend from here forward to be a voting dropout with respect to the sanctioning of political candidates.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:34 pm

samhill wrote:most hospitals that go under do so because of not getting paid for treatment that they have to provide.


Because of absurd liberal policies that grant free healthcare to ILLEGALS.

Medical professionals are planning to quit or quitting in droves already! Medical insurance is going through the roof anyway! Companies with more than the 50 employees are laying off workers in a desperate attempt to survive in business! You have 75 employees, you gotta lay off 25 to even think of staying in business!

So Barry sues our own states to keep the flood tsunami of illegals coming in; and takes over healthcare, jamming the prices on everything up, adding bureaocrats
to enforce rationed healthcare on us; and you just love the idea. Thanks for the help. Keep trying to prove this is a positive law.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:46 pm

Dann757 wrote:
lsayre wrote: My simple advice is to not vote.


Please think that over. Our voting is a sacred right.....


That's taking it to an illogical extreme, no? Unless I've missed something, I don't recall any historical religious organization who's supreme entity ever instructed or called for voting. I do recall something about casting lots though.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:47 pm

lsayre wrote:I will not be deterred. I intend from here forward to be a voting dropout with respect to the sanctioning of political candidates.


I hope a guy as intelligent as you are will reconsider anyway. We need every vote for Romney we can get! If you think there's a shred more decency, patriotism, or ability to help this country in Romney than there is in Obama; please consider that your protest with your vote. Fascists want you to get discouraged to the point of not voting. Please don't give them the satisfaction.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:02 pm

lsayre wrote:That's taking it to an illogical extreme, no? Unless I've missed something, I don't recall any historical religious organization who's supreme entity ever instructed or called for voting. I do recall something about casting lots though.


Take it easy, just trying to be your ally. By "sacred", I meant that we have that right, as twisted and convoluted as it has become, it should be held in respect.

When I say "sacred", I am thinking of the tens of thousands of soldiers in WWII for example, that sacrificed their lives, their futures, their loved ones, to defeat fascism. I think of the young men that had to storm the beaches of Normandy under withering Nazi gunfire. I think of the liberation of Paris, and the tremendous suffering our soldiers had to endure throughout that conflict.

If you're refusing to even vote for genuine intellectual reasons, I wish you well. But if you are so exasperated at the political morass and national upheaval we're all trying to endure, that you think giving up your vote in protest is the best choice; then I'm just plain saddened.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:16 pm

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:Modeled on the Autobahn and fails to come close in every conceivable way!


Come on it's not that bad. But I did hear the autobahn roads are like 18" thick! If they get a tiny ding in the road they replace a whole section.


Yeah it is. And they don't have so many mind numbing straight sections. For a reason. Straight roads increase accidents by decreasing attention.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:20 pm

samhill wrote:Dan, Reagan raised taxes more than lowered, Ike got the interstate for defense purposes & your exactly right compromise, it's something they used to do for the good of the country. Klook, you must live under a rock somewhere, go ahead & put your life in for profit hands, most hospitals that go under do so because of not getting paid for treatment that they have to provide. Many of the ERs are staffed by a group of Doc.s , same goes for many X-Ray Dept.s & such that's why there are so many different billings. Businesses go out & come back under different names, it's done all the time. How about those people out in the mid west, they could just watch everything burn, the fires would go out sooner or later. Same for the floods, the water would go back down none of those dikes & levies are needed, all I'm doing is pointing out a very few of the things we all pay for & think nothing of.


You realize most FF in the country are volunteer right?

And as far as the dikes go, maybe if they weren't there, several hundred people would still be alive today and the taxpayers wouldn't have had to pay to rebuild all those houses.

Why wouldn't I want to go to a doctor working for profit? Don't they do that now? I hadn't realized doctors take vows of poverty. And here I thought they all drove BMW's.
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Re: Obamacare "Tax" Upheld by Supreme Court

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:24 pm

lsayre wrote:I will not be deterred. I intend from here forward to be a voting dropout with respect to the sanctioning of political candidates.


I was just thinking this same thing the other day. I might join you in not voting.

Instead of a "GOTV" drive, we should start a "Stay home and withhold consent" drive. :D

If the government governs at the consent of the governed, what if we just stopped allowing it?
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