Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:57 am

Technically it's the DOJ saying this...... This should get interesting. How do you prosecute someone when the agency they head is deciding whether to prosecute you?


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-holder-not-to-be-prosecuted,0,3120769.story
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department declared Friday that Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to withhold information about a bungled gun-tracking operation from Congress does not constitute a crime and he won't be prosecuted for contempt of Congress.

The House voted Thursday afternoon to find Holder in criminal and civil contempt for refusing to turn over the documents. President Barack Obama invoked his executive privilege authority and ordered Holder not to turn over materials about executive branch deliberations and internal recommendations.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:36 am

They're hiding something that stinks to high heaven. This is proof. :no1:
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:43 am

One of the founding principles of our nation is that no one (from the President on down) is above the law, and that the law is uniform and thereby justice is blind. Here we clearly see otherwise.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:45 am

Chicago politicians for ya .... :roll:
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:14 am

As was pointed out, this isn't the first time and it won't be the last.

If anyone thought the DOJ was going to prosecute it's own leader, they were dreaming.

The contempt charge was bread and circus.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:15 am

Then again it could be that this was all a bunch of political crap which divides the country even further apart. Now the Congress approved insider trading ( which they voted to stop) that is still being allowed to go on, now that is a blatant example of a law maker thinking they are above the law. I think anyone caught now should be thrown out of office & lose everything that tax payers provide regardless of party or position but yet I hear very little if any uproar about that.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: tsb On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:26 am

They got'em and they know it. Nothing to do now but stall.
Holder's best hope is that the big O is defeated and the new admin
has better things to do than take out the garbage.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:15 am

samhill wrote:Then again it could be that this was all a bunch of political crap which divides the country even further apart. Now the Congress approved insider trading ( which they voted to stop) that is still being allowed to go on, now that is a blatant example of a law maker thinking they are above the law. I think anyone caught now should be thrown out of office & lose everything that tax payers provide regardless of party or position but yet I hear very little if any uproar about that.


Sam you remind me of Marion Barry, the former Mayor of DC. When he was caught on video smoking crack with a hooker, he said he was framed.

This isn't just political. This was a clusterf*** orchestrated by the justice department that went reallly bad. If Bush had presided over this you and all the other liberals would be calling for impeachment. I don't know if Obama had knowledge of this before hand or not. But Holder sure did. I saw Elijah Cummings on the news when this thing first broke many months ago and he was outraged. He said he didn't care where the investigation lead, the people responsible would be brought to justice. Suddenly he has changed his tune. Now there are wire taps relating to this that if made public will blow it wide open.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:31 am

Coalkirk, you never heard me calling for impeachment when we were torturing people to death, giving up the name of a CIA agent, putting out false information to make a case to conquer a foreign nation, come up with the Patriot Act & it can go on & on. They are pretty much one & the same now all (or mostly all. I pray) bought & paid for, it's pretty much a waste of time & money trying to do something they know they can't just to avoid doing what they took an oath to do for the American Constitution & People, not to a lobbyist.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:51 pm

Let's not forget that because of Fast and Furious a US Border patrol Agent lost his life. I hope this doesn't just blow away. If it does it will be a mockery of justice.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:00 pm

Your right Isayre it is in the process of being investigated, now if it comes out that someone is guilty of whatever then by all means prosecute them. If you decide to hang someone for some other reason then you are just as guilty of a crime. I don't know nor do I think anyone here knows what happened except those that think their suspicions are enough, I know that if I had names of operatives that would be killed beyond a doubt I sure as hell wouldn't release them to any of this Congress. :(
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:27 pm

Sam you are coming around a little bit by saying they are all crooks :D

I love to post pics but I have to refrain due to copyright issues. so imagine a pic of Brian Terry. Then imagine the pics of Pelosi and her crew of miscreants walking out of Congress.

These are the people we have allowed to govern us? Like the saying goes, "The founding Fathers would have been shooting by now."

Don't forget to look for the video on YouTube of Holder years ago making a speech that "We have to find a way to brainwash people into giving up their guns."
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:45 pm

samhill wrote:Your right Isayre it is in the process of being investigated, now if it comes out that someone is guilty of whatever then by all means prosecute them. If you decide to hang someone for some other reason then you are just as guilty of a crime. I don't know nor do I think anyone here knows what happened except those that think their suspicions are enough, I know that if I had names of operatives that would be killed beyond a doubt I sure as hell wouldn't release them to any of this Congress. :(


I believe that you do not first declare guilt and then prosecute. First I believe a grand jury weighs something called evidence, then if they believe it merits a trial, a jury also weighs the evidence and then it decides innocence our guilt. Innocence or guilt is the tail end of the process. Evidence is required at the front end of the process. But in this case it appears evidence is being withheld.
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:26 pm

I'll repeat myself except in the form of a question, would you if you had knowledge of names of operatives that would almost certainly be killed along with any knowm family members disclose those names to this Congress?
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Re: Holder Won't Prosecute Himself

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:33 pm

samhill wrote:I'll repeat myself except in the form of a question, would you if you had knowledge of names of operatives that would almost certainly be killed along with any knowm family members disclose those names to this Congress?


Sam, until Congress has evidence it can not determine what is going on here. It seems to me that this is merely a smoke and mirrors excuse to withhold evidence.

I've heard of "too big to fail". Now it seems that we also have "too important and too tied to secret operatives to comply with the law and its entire system of justice".
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