Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: dchartt On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:59 pm

Ive done a little research but cant seem to find any US manufacturers making boiler stoves they all seem to be in the UK and China...I was wondering if anyone had any more info on why or companies that do deal them here in the US
dchartt
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS 130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glacier Bay

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:45 pm

Are you referring to a particular type of stove called a "back boiler" stove? I wonder if they are even considered legal in the USA. They are likely not UL listed or ASME certified.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13 KW)

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: Yanche On: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:46 pm

I'm not sure what a boiler stove is but my Mother's kitchen had a Caloric brand gas and coal combination stove. The gas was bottled propane for the four burners and gas oven. The coal portion was to the left of the burners. It had two removable cast iron circular disks to get access to the fire box. Coal ashes fell into a removable metal box which you carried outside to empty. There were connections for a domestic hot water tank, which we didn't use. It was bought new in the early 50's. I wish I would have removed and saved the stove when I sold the house. I still have and use the coal hog used to feed the stove. The coal stove was only used in the early fall and late spring. Other times we used the hand fired coal boiler for heat. Mother always had a pot of water heating or soup simmering on the coal stove. Brings back lots of good memories.

The Caloric stove was really modern, it had a built-in florescent light and an electric timer clock. Coal fire draft was controlled by a pull rod actuated damper. Looked much like a choke rod on a car.
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Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: pine grove coal user On: Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:11 pm

Are stoves like this still available? I would love something like this for the kitchen.
pine grove coal user
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: H. S. Tarm, model 202, 1983
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Reading 'bucket a day' stove in storage, waiting for attention
Coal Size/Type: Pea and nut mix
Other Heating: New Yorker oil burner which almost never runs, thanks to the Tarm!

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:02 pm

There have been injuries and fatalities in the UK from exploding "back boiler" stoves and fireplaces.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13 KW)

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: McGiever On: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Like any boiler, here or elsewhere, installed with the proper safety devices...they would never explode. Just blow off some steam. ;)
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: HARMAN MAGNUM
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Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE, NUT-STOVE / ANTHRACITE
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Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:31 pm

There are several on craigs list.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant Casting 2310
Baseburners & Antiques: rebuilding a 1906 March Brownback Double Heater, using a UMCO 1920's Pot Belly stove in the church
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Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: dchartt On: Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:50 am

Here is what I am talking about, not a actual cook stove.....http://www.boilerstoves.co.uk/boiler-stoves.asp

Basically your regular wood or pellet stove but there a boiler for the hot water folks
dchartt
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS 130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glacier Bay

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: blrman07 On: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:26 am

You can buy the back boiler inserts from the dealers in the UK and Ireland and then retrofit them to a stove. There are two on Ebay right now. Just make sure they are plumbed with the proper code required safety devices and never over fire them.
blrman07
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Bucket a Day
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vigilant Casting 2310
Baseburners & Antiques: rebuilding a 1906 March Brownback Double Heater, using a UMCO 1920's Pot Belly stove in the church
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Wood in the VC and anything that will fit in the Bucket a Day. It's not fussy.

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:06 pm

dchartt wrote:Here is what I am talking about, not a actual cook stove.....http://www.boilerstoves.co.uk/boiler-stoves.asp

Basically your regular wood or pellet stove but there a boiler for the hot water folks


Yes, those are "back boiler" stoves.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13 KW)

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:01 pm

I believe back boiler stoves and fireplaces are open and atmospherically vented. They are not closed and pressurized systems. This is neither good nor bad, it is only different,
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Stockton Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13 KW)

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:11 am

Actually an atomosphere-vented boiler has a lot of issues, mainly evaporation of the water, then adding more domestic water, eventually the boiler will become filled with rust, calcium, lime or whatever contaminants are in the domestic water..
And the water will allways have active oxygen in the system, corroding all the iron and steel parts.

A sealed system will not have the evaporation, therefore not contstantly have added contaminants in the make-up water. And the
active oxygen will do it's oxidation 'thing' then it's done, no more fresh oxygen is added..

Sealed is better, but does require expansion tanks, PR valves, and proper design to hold the pressure in the system..

Greg L
LsFarm
 
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Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: dchartt On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:54 pm

lsayre wrote:I believe back boiler stoves and fireplaces are open and atmospherically vented. They are not closed and pressurized systems. This is neither good nor bad, it is only different,


it says that they are vented through a flue though and are in a pressurized system, it gives recommended flue size and everything
dchartt
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS 130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glacier Bay

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: dchartt On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:56 pm

LsFarm wrote:Actually an atomosphere-vented boiler has a lot of issues, mainly evaporation of the water, then adding more domestic water, eventually the boiler will become filled with rust, calcium, lime or whatever contaminants are in the domestic water..
And the water will allways have active oxygen in the system, corroding all the iron and steel parts.

A sealed system will not have the evaporation, therefore not contstantly have added contaminants in the make-up water. And the
active oxygen will do it's oxidation 'thing' then it's done, no more fresh oxygen is added..

Sealed is better, but does require expansion tanks, PR valves, and proper design to hold the pressure in the system..

Greg L


so i could add one of these sealed boiler stoves to my system as a back up heating source and also a creature comfort in my finished basement correct?
dchartt
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS 130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Glacier Bay

Re: Boiler Stoves in the U.S.?

PostBy: jpen1 On: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:52 pm

I not sure that it is a wise idea. Warm morning, Kenmore, and many others used to make handfired stoves with back boilers. However I believe they were essentially outlawed in the US many years ago, from what the aging plumbers tell me. I do know that the stoves were very dangerous not only from steam explosion stand point but from chmney fires when used with wood as they wer notorious for creosote problems. The other thing you need to consider is whether the item is UL listed or built to ASME spec. or an equivalent or better CE (european) spec. If not stick with a purpose built boiler which is going to be more efficient and safer to run.
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