Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

Is there a "right" to health care?

Yes
8
27%
No
22
73%
 
Total votes : 30

Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:07 pm

I logged outside of Ottawa for a couple years & no one there ever had a problem with thier Socialized medicine set up--we have just become such a spoiled society that are to stupid to see exactly what the med/pharm people have been doing to us, it saddens me incredibly. We have to have tv adds asking people not to go to emergency rooms for things like hang nails & a little pull in our backs so they can deal with actual emergencys--I've got no sympathy for the state we have gotten ourselves in. People need to grow some gonads & stop acting like a bunch of lil girls, sorry ladies,--oh by the way, they're the ones that suffer behind all this, the children that is. Talk about hidden agendas?? we all need to look in the mirror on that one. Nice post SMITTY.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:31 pm

Thanks! :D

Love the gut pic Fred! toothy :punk: I've got some layers me'self .. from many years of many different brewer's products. :drunk:
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:51 pm

I aint even mad. I left work I was baking in the sun. I'll go back later and get something done.

I been winging it since 1977. I pay for the dentist, I rarely go to the same one twice, they always *censored* up something. When you drop $1400 on an office proceedure, it hurts more than the toothache did. :D

I don't know what the answer is, but I don't want any law the Bamster and his crew of commie crazies makes.

I heard there's a clause in the Obamacare that says they get easy electronic access to everybody's bank account. Oh joy, oh rapture. We'll see.

Muhlenberg Hospital in NJ went under due to its proximity to a sanctuary city; the illegals bankrupted it, it had been there for decades. I don't know what's going on when there are laws in place that undermine the fabric of our society.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:51 pm

freetown fred wrote:I logged outside of Ottawa for a couple years & no one there ever had a problem with thier Socialized medicine set up--we have just become such a spoiled society that are to stupid to see exactly what the med/pharm people have been doing to us, it saddens me incredibly. We have to have tv adds asking people not to go to emergency rooms for things like hang nails & a little pull in our backs so they can deal with actual emergencys--I've got no sympathy for the state we have gotten ourselves in. People need to grow some gonads & stop acting like a bunch of lil girls, sorry ladies,--oh by the way, they're the ones that suffer behind all this, the children that is. Talk about hidden agendas?? we all need to look in the mirror on that one. Nice post SMITTY.


But why do people go to ER's for hang nails?

Because for the last 40 years, their government told them they had a "right" to health care?
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:03 pm

Jeff, just to call a spade a spade--whoops, that's probably not politically correct in this day & age, BUT, that just confirms the mentality of today & that I find pathetic--hence--grow some gonads---SHEEP/--no, actually that is an insult to the sheep.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:48 pm

freetown fred wrote:Jeff, just to call a spade a spade--whoops, that's probably not politically correct in this day & age, BUT, that just confirms the mentality of today & that I find pathetic--hence--grow some gonads---SHEEP/--no, actually that is an insult to the sheep.


Not sure what you're talking about.

Johnson's "Great Society" told everyone what they "deserve". Sooner or later, some people are going to start believing it.

I don't blame them. I blame the people in D.C.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:07 pm

Don't know if your right about Johnson but this is the one I knew about, I was running as a medic back then.
http://www.ascensionhealth.org/index.ph ... Itemid=172
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:21 pm

http://www.ushistory.org/us/56e.asp

The Great Society created a not so great society. :)

As he campaigned in 1964, Johnson declared a "war on poverty." He challenged Americans to build a "Great Society" that eliminated the troubles of the poor. Johnson won a decisive victory over his archconservative Republican opponent Barry Goldwater of Arizona.

American liberalism was at high tide under President Johnson.

The Wilderness Protection Act saved 9.1 million acres of forestland from industrial development.

The Elementary and Secondary Education Act provided major funding for American public schools.

The Voting Rights Act banned literacy tests and other discriminatory methods of denying suffrage to African Americans.

Medicare was created to offset the costs of health care for the nation's elderly.

The National Endowment for the Arts and Humanities used public money to fund artists and galleries.

The Immigration Act ended discriminatory quotas based on ethnic origin.

An Omnibus Housing Act provided funds to construct low-income housing.

Congress tightened pollution controls with stronger Air and Water Quality Acts.

Standards were raised for safety in consumer products.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:28 pm

HAHAHAHA are you trying to blame Reagan, Sam? :D How relevant to the present situation.

There's about 5 billion too many people in the world and they all would love to take what we have.

The stair stringer on the deck I was working on, even though pressure treated, rotted out on the inside and provided an invisible highway for carpenter ants to get up in between the trim and the frame. The guy that built the deck set the stringers right on dirt.

I hope our founding fathers didn't set an inadequate foundation for our country, one based on human decency, honor, morals, integrity, self-sufficiency.

Politics aside, it seems to be plain old human greed and lust for power that causes so many of these problems.

I didn't vote this poll because I can't answer the question; as far as human rights are concerned, at least some of them are preserved here in this country, but my lifelong sense of security as an American is getting pretty hard to hold on to.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:29 pm

I've said this before but I really think we got off track with "health care" in this country in 1973 when Nixon, Ted Kennedy and Kaiser Permanente Insurance got together to screw us.

http://ushealthpolicygateway.files.word ... f-1973.pdf

Key Elements
Conditions for becoming federally qualified include a minimum benefits package,
open enrollment and community rating. Some of the most costly restrictions were later
removed. Likewise, for selected employers (with more than 25 employees subject to
federal minimum wage requirements), the original Act mandated that those offering
health benefits must offer an HMO option if a federally qualified HMO in the local area
requested it. However, this provision was eliminated by 1995


In 1995, is when the HMO's went away and the current PPO's cropped up to REALLY limit your choices in health insurance.

Theoretical Impact
Costs.
In the aftermath of its passage, there were strong criticisms leveled at this Act
on grounds that the conditions required for federal qualification imposed costs on HMOs
that made them less competitive in the market (Mitka 1998).

Benefits.
In theory, the Act was intended to reduce costs by eliminating other
regulatory barriers inhibiting HMO development and by encouraging the proliferation of
what was viewed as a more cost-effective delivery system.


Guess that whole "more cost effective" thing didn't really pan out.

But, that was never really the plan in the first place, now was it. Listen for yourself.

http://whitehousetapes.net/clip/richard ... dical-care

Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can … the reason he can do it … I had Edgar Kaiser come in … talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because …”

President Nixon: [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: “… the less care they give them, the more money they make.”

President Nixon: “Fine.” [Unclear.]

Ehrlichman: [Unclear] “… and the incentives run the right way.”

President Nixon: “Not bad.”
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:03 pm

No Dann, I just knew of the emergency care thing from direct knowledge, they used to take what appeared to be uninsured people to certain hospitals even if they drove by a few others to get there.
Jpete, it 's just my opinion but I don't think most of those things under Johnson were all bad but I know my hometown had a couple of low income projects long before him. As for some of the others it seems like all these years later they want to go back in time.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:41 pm

Now I don't know what any of ya are talkin about, except Dan. God I'm glad I'm not as knowledgable as some seem to be--I'd have to up my TUMS consumption--jpete--I'm sorry I threw that simplistic post in there & confused ya. :nana: :clap: toothy
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:52 pm

samhill wrote:No Dann, I just knew of the emergency care thing from direct knowledge, they used to take what appeared to be uninsured people to certain hospitals even if they drove by a few others to get there.
Jpete, it 's just my opinion but I don't think most of those things under Johnson were all bad but I know my hometown had a couple of low income projects long before him. As for some of the others it seems like all these years later they want to go back in time.


All those things under Johnson are utter failures and damned expensive at that.

Yeah, I'd like to go back in time. 1912 should be far enough. :)
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:33 pm

Once again Jpete I guess it all boils down to what one considers progress.
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Re: Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:53 pm

samhill wrote:Once again Jpete I guess it all boils down to what one considers progress.


Bankruptcy isn't my idea of progress.

Look at most of Europe today to see where unlimited government largess leads.
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