Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

jpete wrote:

rberq wrote:... the healthcare/insurance system has been working so poorly, there seems to be no choice but intervention, and who is going to intervene except us, via the government?

The government ALREADY intervened. That's how we got here.

I'm saying that, starting from where we are now, intervention is needed. You are saying intervention is the root cause of the problems. So, assuming you are right, what do you see as the exit strategy?

rberq wrote:

jpete wrote:

rberq wrote:... the healthcare/insurance system has been working so poorly, there seems to be no choice but intervention, and who is going to intervene except us, via the government?

The government ALREADY intervened. That's how we got here.

I'm saying that, starting from where we are now, intervention is needed. You are saying intervention is the root cause of the problems. So, assuming you are right, what do you see as the exit strategy?

Stopping the intervention leaps to mind.

If every time you touched the stove, you got burned, what would you do? Touch the stove with both hands or stop touching it?

jpete wrote:

rberq wrote:I'm saying that, starting from where we are now, intervention is needed. You are saying intervention is the root cause of the problems. So, assuming you are right, what do you see as the exit strategy?

Stopping the intervention leaps to mind.

Well, sure, but I'm asking for an EXIT STRATEGY, and going cold turkey is not a strategy, it's shock therapy that would devastate a lot of people in the short and medium term. How do we get, gradually, from where we are, to where you think we should be?

rberq wrote:

jpete wrote:

rberq wrote:I'm saying that, starting from where we are now, intervention is needed. You are saying intervention is the root cause of the problems. So, assuming you are right, what do you see as the exit strategy?

Stopping the intervention leaps to mind.

Well, sure, but I'm asking for an EXIT STRATEGY, and going cold turkey is not a strategy, it's shock therapy that would devastate a lot of people in the short and medium term. How do we get, gradually, from where we are, to where you think we should be?

First I would end the American Empire. There's no point in having boots on the ground in 130 different countries. The Navy can be everywhere all the time.

People talk about "other industrialized countries" with respect to their ability to fund nationalized health care.

But "other industrialized countries" aren't the police of the world.

We tried "guns and butter" in the 60's and 70's. It didn't work then and it's not working now.

And that's just health care. The bigger, overall solution is outside the scope of this thread.

From MSNBC of all places.

How can health care be a right if you have to sit around and wait for someone to provide it for you?

If you believe in the constitution, then you have to believe you can't have your "rights" deprived without due process of law. So any doctor that doesn't give you care can be charged with a civil rights violation. And I have no idea how we are going to charge all those people that DIDN'T become doctors, but I'm sure we'll figure it out!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48377601/ns ... ork_times/

RIVERSIDE, Calif. — In the Inland Empire, an economically depressed region in Southern California, President Obama’s health care law is expected to extend insurance coverage to more than 300,000 people by 2014. But coverage will not necessarily translate into care: Local health experts doubt there will be enough doctors to meet the area’s needs. There are not enough now.

Even without the health care law, the shortfall of doctors in 2025 would still exceed 100,000.

I'm so glad I live in America where I've become accustomed to having my rights violated so I won't notice a thing when I can't go see a doctor when I need to.