Poll: Is there a "right" to health care?

Lets keep this simple. Do you believe that everyone has a "right" to health care?

if not everyone, then WHO ?

Who should get healthcare?? IMHO Kids up to the age of 20 should get healthcare and adults that decide to pay for it should get healthcare. Adults that are under poverty level should get healthcare for a limited time like unemployment. If you are on welfare and you have one kid then you get enough healthcare for yourself to get sterilized.

I would like to apply for the job as the national reproductive czar. I will give the common sense test to see who is qualified to have kids and who gets sterilized. I saw a couple candidates for sterilization while at the fireworks tonight, thus the reason I am fired up.

Let me also add that if you are smoking 2 packs a day, eating a bag of pork rinds and drinking a gallon of diet coke to wash it down, you do not deserve healthcare that I have helped pay for. You have chosen to live like a slovenly pig, that is your right, but my right is to feel no need to be punished financially for your choices.

Appearently your question is timely..scope out what Texas is considering.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/us/sp ... texas.html

Do rights include the right of some to enforce actions and desires upon others? Can the end product of force ever be called a right? Can governments bestow rights?

lsayre wrote:Do rights include the right of some to enforce actions and desires upon others? Can the end product of force ever be called a right? Can governments bestow rights?

Do we know how to ask leading questions that over-simplify issues and elicit the answers we want? Do we know what a push-poll is?

Maybe if Medicare would just pay a flat rate for those surgeries there wouldn't be so many, before the operation they should cut back on food stamps for a year or two. No matter what it is if it's being paid for by the taxpayer someone is out there figuring a way to abuse it. Everything passed should be very carefully thought out to try & keep fraud out rather than to see what can be attached so some lobby will fill their pockets.

rberq wrote:Do we know how to ask leading questions that over-simplify issues and elicit the answers we want? Do we know what a push-poll is?

Hey Bob are you OK? You seem to be devolving into a common liberal. Your obnoxiousness is usually slightly more subtle.

I think if you have 19 nervous breakdowns you should be covered. National health services that cover all just don't work any where - ditto socialism. I know this is a silly observation but we just can't afford it. We should have done it when we could afford it and linked it to tort reform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1kTuVSUOw

Since it's July 4th.

Coalnewbie, great song!

samhill wrote:Everything passed should be very carefully thought out to try & keep fraud out rather than to see what can be attached so some lobby will fill their pockets.

Gotta agree with you there, Sam.

I still have to go with "The Right To Pursue Happiness", in a perfect world maybe there would be a right to it.

I caught a bit of a CNN show the other day, Fareed Zakaria I think. It was about what the health care system is like in other countries with national health insurance.

The bit I saw was on Korea or India or something like that. He said the average doctor sees 200 patients a day and gets paid about $15 per person.

Would and American doctor agree to do that, and would you want to be the 200th person he saw that day?

EDIT: Found a review.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/0 ... itzerland/

And Fareed's article. Can't find the video yet.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... -everyone/

jpete wrote:Would and American doctor agree to do that, and would you want to be the 200th person he saw that day?

I guess we're about to find out!

rberq wrote:

lsayre wrote:Do rights include the right of some to enforce actions and desires upon others? Can the end product of force ever be called a right? Can governments bestow rights?

Do we know how to ask leading questions that over-simplify issues and elicit the answers we want? Do we know what a push-poll is?

You are free to phrase the questions and/or judgments required to support your opinion, and there are clearly some here who would be interested in hearing this issue from your perspective.

lsayre wrote:... there are clearly some here who would be interested in hearing this issue from your perspective.

Not many!

I'm truly not a bleeding-heart, I'm really kind of nasty. My support for healthcare reform is largely selfishness. I am able to buy homeowner insurance and liability insurance so I don't fear being bankrupted by a fire or an auto accident. If health reforms make it possible for me to buy health insurance, then I won't fear being bankrupted by an illness or an accident.

Now that our government has been granted a mandate to tax us in order to force compliance with its mere whims and wishes regarding health care, how long will it be before we are faced with additional forced taxable government mandates? Perhaps we should all plead our case for the programs we "feel" will be of the most benefit and benevolence to all of mankind. I can think of a few, and I know that others here can think of more.

The affordable food insurance mandate. (What is more primary and fundamental to our survival than food? Health care is clearly playing a weak second fiddle here)

The equal food distribution insurance mandate. (A logical expansion of the above, whereby everyone gets to dine on the same food that the 1% have access to daily)

The insured right to a job mandate. (Either someone hires you because you need a job, or they are progressively taxed into submission until they either do or go out of business)

The insured right of no man to earn more than any other man mandate. (Another logical expansion of the above. If your employer pays you less than he pays himself he is taxed according to your deficiency and the windfall from this tax is is dolled out to you, plus the tax includes a penalty/tax percentage which goes to the government)

The no company can earn more per capita than any other company act. (After all, profits are evil if not equal by law, and tax/insurance is just the tool to rectify such inequality)