My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

I think you know that, my question is what all falls into being a subsidy?

samhill wrote:I think you know that, my question is what all falls into being a subsidy?

Honestly Sam, you've talked in so many circles, I don't know which side of this issue you are on today.

A subsidy to me is direct money from the government for a particular company or industry.

I suppose you can call tax breaks a subsidy as well but I'm not sure the government allowing you to keep money you've earned totally qualifies as them "giving" you anything.

OK then by by your own admission your recieving a subsidy.

samhill wrote:OK then by by your own admission your recieving a subsidy.

Boy you just can't resist making this personal huh?

I never said I did or didn't.

I asked you if YOU agree with the subsidies.

You seem to believe the banks HAD to be bailout so you clearly believe some subsidies are good or necessary.

Odd that you believe it on a large scale but not on an individual level.

Ed.A wrote:...jeeze you almost sound reasonable.

Me? Surely you jest! I'm going to mark this day on my calendar!

P.S. When you drive your car into the city, be aware that government roads are a way of subsidizing the auto industry at the expense of trolley cars.

Jpete, nothing personal just pointing out hypocrisy, sure I believe in helping out startup industries but with limits, UC should have limits as well, decreased in amounts rather than extended, paying for retraining I think not.

samhill wrote:Jpete, nothing personal just pointing out hypocrisy, sure I believe in helping out startup industries but with limits, UC should have limits as well, decreased in amounts rather than extended, paying for retraining I think not.

So you believe in paying people to sit home rather than learn a new skill with which they can use to go out and generate more tax dollars?

You keep coming out with some gems I have to tell you Sam.

No one is being paid to sit home, many do but that's not what it is intended for. You go out & find a job, that is what you are being paid for, you want to go in a new direction then you figure out a way to do it, why should everybody have to pitch in for your retraining? Don't take me wrong, I would have jumped into retraining myself back in the 80s but there was very little & that was in fields where there were no jobs. There was one extension of UC & the amount was lower, I found work, it wasn't the greatest & many were taken advantage of including myself but I paid my bills & put food on the table & I wasn't complaining about the jobs I had to do, I was grateful for what I got & kept looking for better. Never once did I bad mouth the system that put me there, it was over & done & life goes on.

So you aren't opposed to subsidies, just subsidies for certain people. OK. I get it now.

We just have a different perspective. I think if the government goes out of it's way to kill an industry, then the least they can do is help me get a new one.

I have no intention of being the last buggy whip maker. Maybe you think it's a good idea to cling to a dying industry. I don't

There you go again Jpete, I said I was in agreement for start up or new firms. once established the money should be phased out. Don't blame the Gov. for killing an industry without looking in the mirrow at another killer, if your industry went South how did it die? Is it alive & well or did it die in Mexico? I still stand by what I said, why should the tax payers give people new job training, do we all get our turn at training? Do you think your industry should be held accountable for some job training costs, why the Gov.?

samhill wrote:There you go again Jpete, I said I was in agreement for start up or new firms. once established the money should be phased out. Don't blame the Gov. for killing an industry without looking in the mirrow at another killer, if your industry went South how did it die? Is it alive & well or did it die in Mexico? I still stand by what I said, why should the tax payers give people new job training, do we all get our turn at training? Do you think your industry should be held accountable for some job training costs, why the Gov.?

Well, actually, it is my employer paying mostly because employers pay UI not the government.

Why should the taxpayer be turned into venture capitalists? How much money did the government give to the solar power and other renewable power industries?

Should we have give Solyndra another half a billion? How much is enough to get them up and running?

Your employer paid into the fund, that has long since been used up.
In the hopes of getting us more energy independent, I know you don't believe it but the cheap easy oil ride is fast coming to a stop if we don't do something it will be here a lot sooner.
Don't have the answer to that one Jpete, could be the wrong people at the wrong time.

samhill wrote:Your employer paid into the fund, that has long since been used up.
In the hopes of getting us more energy independent, I know you don't believe it but the cheap easy oil ride is fast coming to a stop if we don't do something it will be here a lot sooner.
Don't have the answer to that one Jpete, could be the wrong people at the wrong time.

So we just keep writing half billion dollar checks until a blind squirrel finds his nuts?

Hell of an economic plan you got there Sam. I have no idea why the country is bankrupt.

Better than waiting until the barrel runs dry don't you think or maybe you work better under pressure. Then you can run around crying the sky is falling, some saw this coming decades ago & tried but yet the next guy comes along & trashes the ideas, worked real well lets try it again. Instead of being the leader as we almost always were we are the followers.

it was sure nice of Henry Ford to build all of those roads we drive on now adays