My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:27 pm

samhill wrote:Your living it Jpete, it's keeping your family fed & a roof over your heads while you go to school.


You think so? I'm glad you're such an expert on my life Sam.

I live in the real world. A place I'm not sure you're familiar with.

You live in some place where subsidies to multi national corporations to create jobs in Finland is necessary and proper and wars in Afghanistan are required to keep Americans free but paying someone to go to school so they can go out and pay more taxes is an unforgivable sin.

You really ought to let go of this hate you have in your heart for me Sam. It'll just drag you down.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:41 pm

No hate at all Jpete, sorry you feel that way, I can only go by what you had said in the past. You lost your because of the Gov. & you have been collecting UC & going to school for retraining under a Gov. program. Am I right so far, then if I recall right your wife quit her job because of cut hours or something & it was no longer worth the expense of the drive. If I'm wrong somewhere just correct or update me, no problem but that's why I say you cry with a loaf of bread under your arm & badmouth the Gov. that put it there. If that's not correct I apologize, I've been in much the same place but there weren't the programs back then & I was raising two kids on my own, so I know things ain't always easy.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:30 pm

samhill wrote:No hate at all Jpete, sorry you feel that way, I can only go by what you had said in the past. You lost your because of the Gov. & you have been collecting UC & going to school for retraining under a Gov. program. Am I right so far, then if I recall right your wife quit her job because of cut hours or something & it was no longer worth the expense of the drive. If I'm wrong somewhere just correct or update me, no problem but that's why I say you cry with a loaf of bread under your arm & badmouth the Gov. that put it there. If that's not correct I apologize, I've been in much the same place but there weren't the programs back then & I was raising two kids on my own, so I know things ain't always easy.


Yup, you're about 6 years wrong but that ain't "This is Your Life" and I have no desire to give you my history from DNA up to today.

I'd say more but I have to help my wife preserve some early season vegetables before she leaves for work at 10.....
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:39 pm

Then I'm sorry about that Jpete, I've only been here for 4 years so I don't know where the info came from.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:47 pm

Because you are convoluting a story about my wife quitting her job when my now 8 year old was 2 because day care was equal to her pay at the time with my current situation.

My job that the government doesn't think necessary was able to afford me the luxury of allowing my wife to stay home and raise 2 kids with another on the way while I worked 5.5 days a week.

And buy a house, and put her through training so she could start her own business.

And you'd rather I take a 50% cut in pay in a dying field rather than learn a new trade in an expanding field.

Sorry Sam. I'm not going to dig my own grave so you can feel better. I was offered an opportunity, and as much as I didn't want to, I took it.

I'd much prefer to be sitting at my bench, making chips like I went to school and got a degree for.

Sometimes, life just don't work out like you planned, know what I mean?
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:20 pm

Jpete, what you have wrong is I could care less what you do but I don't think the taxpayer should have to foot the bill. Sorry you don't agree with it & I understand that but it is what it is. I couldn't remember the exact details but it doesn't seem I was that far off, if I didn't hear it from you then I don't know where it came from. Once again & for the last time I'm sorry if I offended your wife or yourself in any way.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:35 pm

I don't think the taxpayer should pay for it either.

But in a choice between my future and that of my family compared to what I believe is an irreparably damaged country filled with apathetic taxpayers, I'm going to choose me every time.

If we can flat out LOSE $6 billion to $8 billion in Iraq, then I don't feel all that bad about borrowing $23k to go to school. An amount that I'm sure I've paid in the last 25 or so years and I'm certain I'll pay back during the next 30.

Funny that you think the taxpayers should go to keep the UAW and GM up and running but have such a hard time with me.

I guess we both have our own philosophies.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: homecomfort On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:42 am

2001Sierra wrote:That is why I burn Anthracite Coal :D It is all me :) It works :lol: Our government has no clue at our level :x


the coal industry is heavily subsidized by the government as I am sure you already know, mostly bituminous coal, but who is counting.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:54 pm

homecomfort wrote:
the coal industry is heavily subsidized by the government as I am sure you already know, mostly bituminous coal, but who is counting.


Heavily? No it isn't. It's like 50 cents a MW or 50 cents on the average monthly bill. The coal subsidy is actually unique in that most of it is for R&D while most other subsidies are for production. As I mentioned before removal of the subsidies for any fossil fuels would be a blip on the screen, removal for alternative subsidies is catastrophic for those industries.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:04 pm

Richard, regarding Alternative Energy, do you think that if the government stopped its subsidies, private enterprise would evaluate those alternative energy approaches most likely to have economic merit and pick up the subsidy of only those?
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:22 pm

One of my favorite quotes on subsidies comes from Exxon's CEO:

http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapit ... wink-wink/

“If I wanted to kill [tax subsidies], the thing to do is for Exxon Mobil to go and invest heavily in them and then Congress would immediately cancel the tax subsidy. Actually what they would do is they would just cancel it for us,” said Mr.Tillerson, during the annual analyst meeting at the New York Stock Exchange.

He added: “In reality, that is what I fear would happen. So we are not going to go into investments that are dependent on a government providing a tax system to make them viable.”



Companies like Exxon will pursue what they feel is worth the investment like the 600 million they have pumped into algae research.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-0 ... dream.html

Exxon Mobil Corp. threw its weight behind algae in July 2009. The oil giant, often a target of environmentalists for dismissing concerns about global warming, is investing $600 million.

Exxon is working with La Jolla, California-based Synthetic Genomics Inc., a company founded by J. Craig Venter, who in 2000 mapped the collection of human genes. Venter’s team is working on changing the genetic code of some algae to make it easier to extract the oil.

“We spent two years evaluating all kinds of biofuels, assessing their scalability, technical challenges, environmental impact and commercial viability,” says Emil Jacobs, Exxon Mobil’s vice president of research and development. “Algae had the best potential,” he says, noting that it doesn’t compete for land with food crops.


When Exxon puts that kind of money into a project you have to take notice.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:49 pm

That's a lot of money for research but you also have to realize that it's only about a weeks profit for them so while they are investing they aren't going all out. If you look into it big oil has a major share in most of the alternative energy possibilities. They aren't about to allow someone else come up with a affordable alternative for oil.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:55 pm

samhill wrote:That's a lot of money for research but you also have to realize that it's only about a weeks profit for them so while they are investing they aren't going all out. If you look into it big oil has a major share in most of the alternative energy possibilities. They aren't about to allow someone else come up with a affordable alternative for oil.


Sports super-heroes have a financial profit windfall ratio leagues higher than anyone else on earth vs. their contribution to society with respect to offering a useful service and/or product. Why does government go after the real producers and contributors of the world as if they are evil personified, while giving the sports figures a total bye? Is it merely because Congress has yet to figure out how to rig that one without finally getting the populace at large to see the true evil of their actions?
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: samhill On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:01 pm

I don't think they get away with anything most in their income brackets do, in fact they might not fare as well total tax wise. They have to pay the local & state taxes for every away game they play so their home state misses out on their total overall earnings.
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Re: My thoughts on Alternative Energy subsidy by the Government

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:05 pm

samhill wrote:I don't think they get away with anything most in their income brackets do, in fact they might not fare as well total tax wise. They have to pay the local & state taxes for every away game they play so their home state misses out on their total overall earnings.


The point is that they are not being portrayed as evil personified, while the real contributors and producers are being portrayed in that light. Who mooches more from the little guy, Exxon, or the sports super-hero of your choice?

Mind you it is my position that neither deserve any personification as evil, but I see hypocrisy here and I'm just bringing it to the table for discussion.
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