Parental rights?

Re: Parental rights?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:32 pm

Dann757 wrote:Sounds like a perfect utopian idea. Speaking of REALITY, that cute little vid doesn't match up with the cold hard reality of the human race. Freakin' Koom Bye Ahhh.

Some people believe that GOD owns their life, not themselves. Those are all great rights, maybe another 100,000 years of human evolution will make it possible.


If that's the reality, then I guess the Bill of Rights is meaningless?

I guess these are just hollow words...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


And you think I'M pessimistic? :)
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Re: Parental rights?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:39 pm

Yeah, that's the way I see you. But I'm willing to keep trying to reach some understanding. Don't want to be trolling if I can help it. I know you believe in the purity of the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
That video just seemed to be another one that is totally idealistic in our tumultous world. It doesn't take into account that conflicts have always arisen in our human history. You couldn't convince foreign enemies with that; they have to be met with overwhelming force, as recent history has shown.

jpete wrote:You can put up a faulty bridge or a house, but if it falls over and kills someone, expect to see the inside of a prison.


So you demand that the free market will take care of everything with no government, but count on government to punish offenders in the same sentence. How can you have it both ways. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
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Re: Parental rights?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:50 pm

Punishing people is one of the main functions of government. That's why we HAVE government.

You said "anarchy", not me. I'd be fine having constitutionally sized government.

The constitution sets up the SCOTUS to resolve disputes between individuals.

I'm not really concerned what foreign countries do. The constitution spells out the mechanism for us to defend our natural rights as well.
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Re: Parental rights?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:53 pm

Bastiat's "The Law" is a good place to start when dealing with "Natural Law"

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G005

What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense.

Each of us has a natural right — from God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? If every person has the right to defend even by force — his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right — its reason for existing, its lawfulness — is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force — for the same reason — cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups.

Such a perversion of force would be, in both cases, contrary to our premise. Force has been given to us to defend our own individual rights. Who will dare to say that force has been given to us to destroy the equal rights of our brothers? Since no individual acting separately can lawfully use force to destroy the rights of others, does it not logically follow that the same principle also applies to the common force that is nothing more than the organized combination of the individual forces?

If this is true, then nothing can be more evident than this: The law is the organization of the natural right of lawful defense. It is the substitution of a common force for individual forces. And this common force is to do only what the individual forces have a natural and lawful right to do: to protect persons, liberties, and properties; to maintain the right of each, and to cause justice to reign over us all.
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Re: Parental rights?

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:02 pm

jpete wrote:I'd be fine having constitutionally sized government.


That's where we agree totally.

jpete wrote:I'm not really concerned what foreign countries do.


Boy are you lucky. No concern for our enemies?
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Re: Parental rights?

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:44 pm

Not really.

The constitution provides for a Navy and an army should it be needed.
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