Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:54 am

There have to be schools for guys like you xaos.

I know others that love to lob bombs then act offended when someone calls them out on it.
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: xaos On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:25 am

LOL..
Well I just try to be reactive.
xaos
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 Auger
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker 1
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:32 am

Xaos, Jpete has hit the nail on the head. Our Government is way to big and massively inefficient. Our military spending equals or exceeds the military spending of the rest of the world combined. China's military spending is 1/10 of ours, and they are number 2. How much Government do you want? What in your opinion is the purpose of Government? Do you feel that the principle of "From each according to his ability to each according to his need." is noble?
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)


Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: xaos On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:54 am

Do you feel that the principle of "From each according to his ability to each according to his need." is noble?


Nope, don't believe in Marxism.
Reducing government control and size is all good, The leaning folks to the right of the fence have been preaching smaller gov for some time, but now the time clock is ticking and automatic cuts are looming its being called socialism..
And we sure don't want corporations in control; as the currant plutocracy is now strangling the working class.
You all might find it hard to believe but its seems as though anyone whom thinks outside the box gets painted with the same wide bristled broom. We really are not that far off on beliefs, I just lean a little to the left, but I sure am not a tree hugger..
xaos
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 Auger
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker 1
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:10 pm

xaos wrote: I just lean a little to the left, but I sure am not a tree hugger..


I am. Trees make the oxygen I need to breathe.

I'm just not in favor of ineffective and costly government programs to enforce my belief on others.
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:31 pm

xaos wrote:as the currant plutocracy is now strangling the working class.


Your post works a lot better with less of the mindless sloganeering and with an effort to have a little logic.

Your use of the term working class implies typical left wing elitism and is offensive to those who believe our American society is, or should be made up of individuals striving to progress to the best of their ability toward a happy fulfilling life. The only class is American and the reasons are set forth in our Declaration. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These were recognized as absolutely essential in the healthy development of human beings, the denial of which was evident in the sick societies of Europe.

We believe in equality before the law but not equality of outcome which depends not only on individual talent, but individual intent as to what constitutes happiness. Wealth can contribute to happiness but is not a measure of it. I am not wealthy nor would I wish to be as it would mean giving up too much of what gives me content.

You submit that it is the wealthy that is strangling the people who are producing wealth in this country.

I would submit that it is the non producing government that is strangling wealth for all.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: xaos On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:32 am

Your use of the term working class implies typical left wing elitism and is offensive to those who believe our American society is, or should be made up of individuals striving to progress to the best of their ability toward a happy fulfilling life.


And the above statement is a typical conservative talking point and is condescending.
Its really amazing how you wont practice what you preach.
You have little disregard for others beliefs when its the conservative failed political policies
that have caused the most harm to our countries financial stability.
xaos
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Alaska 140 Auger
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska Stoker 1
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: franco b On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:38 am

xaos wrote:You have little disregard for others beliefs when its the conservative failed political policies
that have caused the most harm to our countries financial stability.

Those policies were not conservative. They were the result of a President caving in to the liberal initiatives of Teddy and Dodd and Frank. Abandonment of free market principles is not a Conservative position. President Bush talked the talk but failed to walk the walk of a conservative. The present administration is just continuing the same failed policy. Yes, conservatives do disregard many Liberal beliefs. They do so because those beliefs are not grounded in sound economics. To do good is noble and appeals to the innate compassion of most people. The economic mess we are in is the direct result of that noble impulse to help people own their own home. By interfering in the market and pumping in trillions of dollars the price of homes skyrocketed until those who it was intended to help were worse off than before and the country at large was saddled with enormous debt. That debt has to be paid before economic expansion can resume and the decision was made to pay it through the expansion of the money supply. That way the wealth of the speculators and gambler banks and insurance companies is preserved and the burden of payment falls heaviest on those with the least. Liberal economics at its best. All in the name of doing good while ignoring reality. You can't legislate the weather or economic law no matter how nice that would be.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:20 pm

Franco, nobody forced sellers & lenders to make bad choices of who could afford what or who to lend to, they did it for the money knowing full well they could never afford those houses. Sure the people should have known but some fast talkers convince them that they can indeed afford their dream, there's fault all along but the buyer lost everything & the seller, agent & lender all got theirs & laughed all the way to the bank. When I sold Real Estate there was a thing called ethics & we wouldn't even waste our time showing something to a buyer that they couldn't afford & wouldn't get a loan for because of ethics. The conservatives had many years where they could have manned up & put a stop to it but choose not to, that only has one side to blame.
samhill
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: keystoker 160
Hand Fed Coal Stove: hitzer 75 in garage
Stove/Furnace Make: keystoker/hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: koker 160/ hitzer 75

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:54 pm

Democrat......Republican.....

Tomato........Tomahto.......

My tax return for 2011 (federal & state) is 86 pages emailed to me from my accountant.. :shock: ...If I get a few hours I will dig through the pages and see if I can figure out my tax %. But I suspect I will be working on something - either reviewing specifications so I can write up a quote and hopefully sell something with my business, or being a weekend janitor for my wife's business, or being a landlord and doing a few needed repairs at the rental house. The funniest thing i read this year was the cover letter that was also emailed with the tax return (not included in the 86 pages) that said I needed to read and UNDERSTAND the return before signing it. If I could understand the freakin' tax code I wouldn't need the accountant to do the return for me!

If I was still doing my own taxes I would have gone postal at about page 25, bought many more guns and ammunition, explosives, barbed wire fencing, a few dobermans and pit bulls, and bought a compound in the wilds of Montana and dared anyone to come collect.

Neither side wants to reform the idiotic complexity of the tax code. So neither side gets my vote.

Here are my Fed %'s.....19% of total income, 23% of AGI, 33% of net income.

When state taxes are added in.....24% of total income, 28% of AGI, 42% of net income....this doesn't include real estate taxes, sales tax, gas tax, bridge, tunnel & turnpike tax, etc. etc. etc.....
Last edited by titleist1 on Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
titleist1
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:58 pm

samhill wrote:Franco, nobody forced sellers & lenders to make bad choices of who could afford what or who to lend to, they did it for the money knowing full well they could never afford those houses.


Not true. The govt. forced the banks to lend to the masses of ghetto types.

Some say Obama inherited this mess, he sought the job and took it. Unfortunately, he is the most far left president in our history. You can study his motivations by reading "The Roots of Obama's Rage" by Dinesh D'Souza.

"The rich" are sitting on something like 1.7 trillion bucks waiting for the annointed one to be voted out. Haha. Unless the election is rigged as many fear. Google SCYTL.

If you hit the lottery for a million bucks, who would you want to manage your windfall, Obama or Romney?

The O admin is actively advertising to promote food stamps.

The attack ads are all the dems have left, they can't run on their record.

One of my customers lost her job in middle management in the pharmaceutical industry, she had to let go of her landscaper and her housecleaners. The result of Obama's anti-business policies.

No amount of stats or intelligent conversation by my conservative friends here can alter the bitter resentment the libs have for wealth and success.
Dann757
 

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:08 pm

samhill wrote:Franco, nobody forced sellers & lenders to make bad choices of who could afford what or who to lend to, they did it for the money knowing full well they could never afford those houses. Sure the people should have known but some fast talkers convince them that they can indeed afford their dream, there's fault all along but the buyer lost everything & the seller, agent & lender all got theirs & laughed all the way to the bank. When I sold Real Estate there was a thing called ethics & we wouldn't even waste our time showing something to a buyer that they couldn't afford & wouldn't get a loan for because of ethics. The conservatives had many years where they could have manned up & put a stop to it but choose not to, that only has one side to blame.


When the government is handing out free money, who is going to refuse?

I'm sure every real estate agent and mortgage under writer who sold a house to someone they KNEW would never be able to afford it was an EVIL REPUBLICAN! Oooo scary!

Give it a rest Sam. Your one sided partisan hacks are too old and have been debunked every time.

The problem is with BOTH parties. No one is blameless here.
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:26 pm

xaos wrote:Insults instead of discussion has been a ploy tactic for closed minded republicans for some time.


That is very amusing. Consider that statement and you might realize your hypocracy.

You don't like your tax rate, so instead of seeking a better accountant, or heaven forbid; work harder; you displace your frustration to some phantom opressor.

You may think you are being original, but your attitude is typical. :)
Dann757
 

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:38 pm

Perhaps it's just a matter of perspective:

win / lose (the classic Marxist view of capitalism, now apparently embraced by the radical left fringe, is that for someone to win someone else always has to lose)
win / win (the classic capitalist view is that everyone can and should have the potential to win, and that both parties [if sane] always enter into an agreement or contract seeking to benefit)

The inevitable solution to 'win / lose' is always going to be 'lose / lose' if government steps in to rectify things. Ditto for win / win. Therefore the only way for everyone to have a chance to win is for government to stay out of their way. This would be true only of a laissez-faire capitalist economy operating within a Republic. It requires that government merely serve to meet out justice blindly and objectively (as opposed to subjectively).

I would in fact contend that it is absolutely impossible to meet out justice subjectively.
Last edited by lsayre on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (It has been fixed!)

Re: Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:19 pm

xaos wrote:
Your use of the term working class implies typical left wing elitism and is offensive to those who believe our American society is, or should be made up of individuals striving to progress to the best of their ability toward a happy fulfilling life.


And the above statement is a typical conservative talking point and is condescending.
Its really amazing how you wont practice what you preach.
You have little disregard for others beliefs when its the conservative failed political policies
that have caused the most harm to our countries financial stability.


What's "conservative" about printing money out of thin air?
jpete
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
Coal Size/Type: Stove, Nut, Pea
Other Heating: Dino juice