Obama Tax Cuts Rejected In House

There have to be schools for guys like you xaos.

I know others that love to lob bombs then act offended when someone calls them out on it.

LOL..
Well I just try to be reactive.

Xaos, Jpete has hit the nail on the head. Our Government is way to big and massively inefficient. Our military spending equals or exceeds the military spending of the rest of the world combined. China's military spending is 1/10 of ours, and they are number 2. How much Government do you want? What in your opinion is the purpose of Government? Do you feel that the principle of "From each according to his ability to each according to his need." is noble?

Do you feel that the principle of "From each according to his ability to each according to his need." is noble?

Nope, don't believe in Marxism.
Reducing government control and size is all good, The leaning folks to the right of the fence have been preaching smaller gov for some time, but now the time clock is ticking and automatic cuts are looming its being called socialism..
And we sure don't want corporations in control; as the currant plutocracy is now strangling the working class.
You all might find it hard to believe but its seems as though anyone whom thinks outside the box gets painted with the same wide bristled broom. We really are not that far off on beliefs, I just lean a little to the left, but I sure am not a tree hugger..

xaos wrote: I just lean a little to the left, but I sure am not a tree hugger..

I am. Trees make the oxygen I need to breathe.

I'm just not in favor of ineffective and costly government programs to enforce my belief on others.

Your use of the term working class implies typical left wing elitism and is offensive to those who believe our American society is, or should be made up of individuals striving to progress to the best of their ability toward a happy fulfilling life.

And the above statement is a typical conservative talking point and is condescending.
Its really amazing how you wont practice what you preach.
You have little disregard for others beliefs when its the conservative failed political policies
that have caused the most harm to our countries financial stability.

Franco, nobody forced sellers & lenders to make bad choices of who could afford what or who to lend to, they did it for the money knowing full well they could never afford those houses. Sure the people should have known but some fast talkers convince them that they can indeed afford their dream, there's fault all along but the buyer lost everything & the seller, agent & lender all got theirs & laughed all the way to the bank. When I sold Real Estate there was a thing called ethics & we wouldn't even waste our time showing something to a buyer that they couldn't afford & wouldn't get a loan for because of ethics. The conservatives had many years where they could have manned up & put a stop to it but choose not to, that only has one side to blame.

Democrat......Republican.....

Tomato........Tomahto.......

My tax return for 2011 (federal & state) is 86 pages emailed to me from my accountant.. ...If I get a few hours I will dig through the pages and see if I can figure out my tax %. But I suspect I will be working on something - either reviewing specifications so I can write up a quote and hopefully sell something with my business, or being a weekend janitor for my wife's business, or being a landlord and doing a few needed repairs at the rental house. The funniest thing i read this year was the cover letter that was also emailed with the tax return (not included in the 86 pages) that said I needed to read and UNDERSTAND the return before signing it. If I could understand the freakin' tax code I wouldn't need the accountant to do the return for me!

If I was still doing my own taxes I would have gone postal at about page 25, bought many more guns and ammunition, explosives, barbed wire fencing, a few dobermans and pit bulls, and bought a compound in the wilds of Montana and dared anyone to come collect.

Neither side wants to reform the idiotic complexity of the tax code. So neither side gets my vote.

Here are my Fed %'s.....19% of total income, 23% of AGI, 33% of net income.

When state taxes are added in.....24% of total income, 28% of AGI, 42% of net income....this doesn't include real estate taxes, sales tax, gas tax, bridge, tunnel & turnpike tax, etc. etc. etc.....

samhill wrote:Franco, nobody forced sellers & lenders to make bad choices of who could afford what or who to lend to, they did it for the money knowing full well they could never afford those houses.

Not true. The govt. forced the banks to lend to the masses of ghetto types.

Some say Obama inherited this mess, he sought the job and took it. Unfortunately, he is the most far left president in our history. You can study his motivations by reading "The Roots of Obama's Rage" by Dinesh D'Souza.

"The rich" are sitting on something like 1.7 trillion bucks waiting for the annointed one to be voted out. Haha. Unless the election is rigged as many fear. Google SCYTL.

If you hit the lottery for a million bucks, who would you want to manage your windfall, Obama or Romney?

The O admin is actively advertising to promote food stamps.

The attack ads are all the dems have left, they can't run on their record.

One of my customers lost her job in middle management in the pharmaceutical industry, she had to let go of her landscaper and her housecleaners. The result of Obama's anti-business policies.

No amount of stats or intelligent conversation by my conservative friends here can alter the bitter resentment the libs have for wealth and success.

samhill wrote:Franco, nobody forced sellers & lenders to make bad choices of who could afford what or who to lend to, they did it for the money knowing full well they could never afford those houses. Sure the people should have known but some fast talkers convince them that they can indeed afford their dream, there's fault all along but the buyer lost everything & the seller, agent & lender all got theirs & laughed all the way to the bank. When I sold Real Estate there was a thing called ethics & we wouldn't even waste our time showing something to a buyer that they couldn't afford & wouldn't get a loan for because of ethics. The conservatives had many years where they could have manned up & put a stop to it but choose not to, that only has one side to blame.

When the government is handing out free money, who is going to refuse?

I'm sure every real estate agent and mortgage under writer who sold a house to someone they KNEW would never be able to afford it was an EVIL REPUBLICAN! Oooo scary!

Give it a rest Sam. Your one sided partisan hacks are too old and have been debunked every time.

The problem is with BOTH parties. No one is blameless here.

xaos wrote:Insults instead of discussion has been a ploy tactic for closed minded republicans for some time.

That is very amusing. Consider that statement and you might realize your hypocracy.

You don't like your tax rate, so instead of seeking a better accountant, or heaven forbid; work harder; you displace your frustration to some phantom opressor.

You may think you are being original, but your attitude is typical.

Perhaps it's just a matter of perspective:

win / lose (the classic Marxist view of capitalism, now apparently embraced by the radical left fringe, is that for someone to win someone else always has to lose)
win / win (the classic capitalist view is that everyone can and should have the potential to win, and that both parties [if sane] always enter into an agreement or contract seeking to benefit)

The inevitable solution to 'win / lose' is always going to be 'lose / lose' if government steps in to rectify things. Ditto for win / win. Therefore the only way for everyone to have a chance to win is for government to stay out of their way. This would be true only of a laissez-faire capitalist economy operating within a Republic. It requires that government merely serve to meet out justice blindly and objectively (as opposed to subjectively).

I would in fact contend that it is absolutely impossible to meet out justice subjectively.

xaos wrote:

Your use of the term working class implies typical left wing elitism and is offensive to those who believe our American society is, or should be made up of individuals striving to progress to the best of their ability toward a happy fulfilling life.

And the above statement is a typical conservative talking point and is condescending.
Its really amazing how you wont practice what you preach.
You have little disregard for others beliefs when its the conservative failed political policies
that have caused the most harm to our countries financial stability.

What's "conservative" about printing money out of thin air?