Mobile home stoker recommendations

Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: ESCrafts On: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:05 pm

Hello all,

I have been luring for about a year now and have learned a great deal. I currently have an Arrow, Strafford SC75 hand fed installed in my home.

My home is a 14x66 mobile with a 12x45 addition, lots of corners, no basement, and very drafty ( working on fixing that last part). The hearth is on the wall where the trailer and addition are so basically an interior wall. All of the ceilings are vaulted. I am looking to replace my hand fed to a stoker. If the stove that I end up with has the option to run duct work from it, no huge hood over it, I will be running it along the ceiling. I want the stove to run off of a thermostat to help smooth out the heat fluctuation. The stove that is leading my list is the Keystoker 105.

The questions that I have for you folks are:
Is there a better choice for my situation?
Are there any specific concerns switching to a stoker from a hand fed in a mobile home?
Should I go with the standard 350 cfm blower or upgrade to the 500 cfm blower?
What should I expect to pay for the stove? (very hard to find any pricing on line)
Is the basic coal-trol good or should I upgrade?

I believe I gave all of the information that you guys/gals might need but I left out any information, just ask and I will provide it.

Thank you in advance for your time.

God Bless,
Eric
ESCrafts
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Arrow
Stove/Furnace Model: Strafford SC75

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:10 pm

I have a Keystoker 90. Heat my family room 500 sq ft, push air upstairs another 1100 sq ft, and everynite in the winter open the door from the basement and heat the garage to 68 and it is 13 x 26. No problem, the 90 puts out some serious heat, the 350 CFm or 500 CFM fans would create some serious noise. The Coal Trol is the only way to go. I am also welding in a 6 inch duct ring into the top to get rid of my redneck setup last year capturing the heat off the front vent on the stove. If you have a drafty house then go with the 105, you can always get crazy with the bigger blower later.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: ESCrafts On: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:15 pm

The reason for my choosing the 105 vs. the 90 is that they are basically the same stove just with an extra layer of steel so I figured that the the 90 must be dumping 15,000 btu's extra up the chimney.
ESCrafts
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Arrow
Stove/Furnace Model: Strafford SC75

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Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:43 pm

No, my chimney temps are usually less than 200 degrees at most times. Sometime I wonder whether there is enough heat going to just maintain the draft on the chimey vent. Give them a call and ask why the 105 is putting out more than the 90. They are basically the same stove, and I suspect they just crank the 105 up a bit to push more heat, and the double wall just keeps the metal more happy.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:57 pm

ESCrafts wrote:The reason for my choosing the 105 vs. the 90 is that they are basically the same stove just with an extra layer of steel so I figured that the the 90 must be dumping 15,000 btu's extra up the chimney.


As explained from Jerry the former owner of leisure line the thinner steel transfers more heat to the room and that certainly sounds logical because there is less resistance. That was his specific reasoning for using a thinner steel.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:14 pm

With all due respect to everyones opinion. Harmon uses thicker steel than Keystoker, and they have effciency claims, as well as Keystoker with their steel thickness and Leisure Line, with their thinner steel. I am on the fence of what to think. Steel gets hot and radiates heat, the chimney is where the the heat is wasted. Just a thought.
2001Sierra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90 Chimney vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Buderus Oil Boiler 3115-34
Stove/Furnace Model: Keystoker 90 Chimney Vent

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:25 am

Most of the efficiency gain would be noticed when the stove is ramping up from idle. Faster heat transfer, lighter for handling, with the door seals on our stoves there is a lot of rigidity around the door area so no warping. There are stiffeners in key areas of the stoves as well. Also there is no good reason to go any thicker with a stoker in that range, our Pocono and Hyfire II are thicker mostly because of the height there is a lot more flat area to keep from moving. I think the difference between the 12ga and the 10ga on the Pocono was about 3 dollars so it is not about cost. that would just make it harder to get up or down a set of steps. I have been to a house that has one of Leisure Lines First stoves so about 16yrs with literally a creek running in front of it and it was still in great condition for its age. But everyone has there preferences so the best advice is to go with the one that makes you comfortable. Dave
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:51 am

Me thinks the advantage of the thicker steel, is that it holds the heat much better then the thinner, and personally, I'm in it for the long haul once winter sets in. Yes, your chimney would be the biggest loss of heat--a good damper can fix that.
Richard S. wrote:
ESCrafts wrote:The reason for my choosing the 105 vs. the 90 is that they are basically the same stove just with an extra layer of steel so I figured that the the 90 must be dumping 15,000 btu's extra up the chimney.


As explained from Jerry the former owner of leisure line the thinner steel transfers more heat to the room and that certainly sounds logical because there is less resistance. That was his specific reasoning for using a thinner steel.
freetown fred
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: HITZER 50-93
Coal Size/Type: BLASCHAK Nut/Stove mix

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:08 am

Fred heat wants to go where it's cold and it every material has a different rate that heat will move through it. The thicker it is the longer it takes to go through it. You're not going to gain anything with efficiency from the thicker steel as far as "holding heat", it's just storing it a little longer before releasing it into the room. It may be a more pleasant environment though without large swings. For example we have steel radiators in this house, the fins might be cast I'm not sure:

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My brother put in these really small "high efficiency" baseboard tubing. There might be some gains on efficiency but only because you may not be heating areas like where the return line is since it has already extracted the heat. My Father wanted to put them in here because he saw how fast they worked and the first words out my mouth is "What are *censored* nuts?" :lol: You're not going to gain or lose anything with either sytem, the heat is in the water and it has to go into the house at some point. With the larger baseboards you can maintain a much more even heat over longer period but they take longer too heat up.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:28 am

[quote="freetown fred"]Me thinks the advantage of the thicker steel, is that it holds the heat much better then the thinner, and personally, I'm in it for the long haul once winter sets in. Yes, your chimney would be the biggest loss of heat--a good damper can fix that.[quote="Richard S."][quote="ESCrafts"][quote][quote]





Oh a hand fired stove especially wood where the BTUs are not as well regulated that holds very true but in a stoker its questionable.
Flyer5
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Leisure Line WL110
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: nealkas On: Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:11 pm

Hello,

Sorry for a zombie post, but as the topic is the same...

We have a 1998 14x76 trailer I replaced the doors and windows and have been doing other work on the house.
Eventually, we'd like to add a back partition for another ~500sq feet.

Right now we have the typical trailer oil fired hot air furnace sort of in the middle of the bathroom.
When it gets replaced I don't want it there anyway.

Considering anthracite coal stoker hot air as we both grew up with coal.
Not looking to have the furnace "in the trailer".
More thinking of essentially building a shed on one side or the back and running ductwork for the hot air.
This is still idea stage. Concrete floor, insulated walls and fireboard, chimney, powervent if needed, but I have room for chimney height.
Big enough to also hold like a pallet of coal and the related equipment.
I don't see a huge coal chute, most likely bags.
Already have generators/batteries/inverters for backup.
Thought about hot water, but I don't want to have to keep a fire year round.
We have great south facing exposure and have decent heat gain even on very cold days.
Once I replace my roof and add some skylights, I want to add some solar.

Looking for something with a big hopper and pretty much hassle free.
I realize I have to fill the hopper, empty the ashes and do periodic seasonal maintenance.
But I have read a lot of posts here about constantly fiddling with the stove, looking for obscure temp limiting switches, etc..
We work a lot and I don't want to be a slave to a stove.

So I'm looking for pretty much a 'complete' solution, good factory support if needed, relative ease of use.

I won't ask for a 'best' stove. :D
But are there particular brands to avoid?

I also welcome any other particular experiences or suggestions to consider.
nealkas
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Looking at these.
Other Heating: Oil at present.

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: aseecobra On: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:02 pm

ESCrafts wrote:The reason for my choosing the 105 vs. the 90 is that they are basically the same stove just with an extra layer of steel so I figured that the the 90 must be dumping 15,000 btu's extra up the chimney.


The 105 has a larger grate.
aseecobra
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K Chimney (350cfm blower)
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Other Heating: Electric baseboard

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:05 pm

nealkas,go to the manufacturers section & check out Leisure Line stokers ,they are tops with support,they even have 2 reps who post on here & answer questions. Keystoker seems to be well liked too.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: nealkas On: Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:08 am

windyhill4.2 wrote:nealkas,go to the manufacturers section & check out Leisure Line stokers ,they are tops with support,they even have 2 reps who post on here & answer questions. Keystoker seems to be well liked too.


Thanks!

I've been reading a bunch.

But as one of the posters here said, yesterday's reputation isn't always today's quality.

The Lehigh boiler dual fire model could almost have me consider switching to hot water, but the extra money for the pipe and radiators is a bit discouraging.
One good thing about either Leisure or Keystoker is they are relatively local.
I don't want to have to email Beijing if I have a problem. ;)

Like I said, we have great southern exposure. I'd like to work some solar in the mix.
If not being truly 'off-grid' at least being minimally dependent.
Twice we've had no electric for over a week., once for ice, once after Sandy.
We have well water and septic so no water or sewer bills.

One good thing is this is Kathy and my final house until the coroner arrives. :D
So anything I do is for us and not really worried about resale value.
nealkas
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Looking at these.
Other Heating: Oil at present.

Re: Mobile home stoker recommendations

PostBy: scoobydoo On: Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:28 am

My question is.What do you do about the water lines in the trailer when you use a supplemental heater?The water lines run along the duct work so the heat can help stop them from freezing.Has anyone had problems with lines freezing?
scoobydoo
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Leisure Line Pioneer LE top vent
Coal Size/Type: Rice

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