The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:12 pm

IOF,

My friend wrote this back. In the 70's, she was the top salesperson in the whole country for one of the major personell agencies.

"What I cannot figure out is why does he have to pick him up? The rule should be set..if he is not there on time...The driver is leaving..no if ands or buts..why is everyone kissing this guys ass?..One employee should not be responsible for anothers habits...Your friend needs to stick up for his own rights and say he was not hired to babysit this dude ..he will take him to work but on his terms not the baby's terms..enough is enough.."

Hey Theo! Ya think Mr. Haney had a good work ethic? :D He was always working at swindling Oliver hahahahah
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: theo On: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:13 pm

And he always seemed to get the best of him Dan !!!! :D
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:51 pm

The youth and their shoddy work ethic comes from their parents and society at large. I have been in the trades for almost 30 years and I have seen a general decline of workers over that whole time. When the occasional good worker comes along we can barely believe our good fortune. Last summer my sister convinced me to hire her son who was a fast learner and a great worker. Uh huh! No driver's licence at 22 guess why! So I have to pick him up every day, most mornings waiting for up to 10 minutes while he finishes getting ready. I gave him a job of digging up a septic line. Every 3 inches he stops to ask me if this is deep enough. I finally tell him, dig until I tell you to stop and don't bother me again! That was his last day. He told my sister I work like a machine, he couldn't believe how strong I was was and how long I would work. I'm nothing special guys he is just the norm these days. None of my nephews can work a whole day with me. They have never had to do such a thing. We are definitely in trouble as the next generation is not loaded with the workers we are going to need. You can't out source home building and repair to Mexico, China or India!!!
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: stovepipemike On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:25 am

The situation you describe NWBuilder is becoming more and more prevalent.I have determined that we are quickly loosing a stern old schoool mindset that says "I will do this job better,faster,more precise,in a thoroughly workmanlike manner than anyone else on this jobsite". I say we have lost the "elements of a quality workman"because it is no longer being taught in the home.What kid in the world would go take out the trash and mow the lawn when he can lay around and push buttons? I say it all starts at the moment the parent hears_ No I won't ,I don't wanna.The rest is our History. Mike
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:54 am

NWBuilder wrote:We are definitely in trouble as the next generation is not loaded with the workers we are going to need. You can't out source home building and repair to Mexico, China or India!!!


The next generation is more anchor babies than we realize. You can't outsource homebuilding, but they are insourcing illegals. The construction industry has over 10% unemployment I think. any construction sites I see are usually going mostly Latino. Since a lot of them come from countries where there is no opportunity, maybe that's why they work so hard. I've seen 'em work with long pants and long sleeve shirts in the broiling hot sun, all day. I only have work because my competitors that hire illegals want to make more profit, not lower prices. And I have a few customers that prefer an American worker.
I've worked with illegals when I was working for somebody else. We were painting in an executive's house, and the kid working with us probably came in under the fence from Mexico, from a place where he recieved no basic education, couldn't speak english. I walked in the huge designer kitchen, the kid was sitting in the sink to paint the window sill! A lot of jobs require bi-lingual personnel now. The local hardware store does a big paint sales business, they have a latino paint counter guy now. He's a nice guy, but in the morning when all the crews come in, all you hear is Spanish in that store. How tolerant do we Americans have to be? To the point of complete displacement?
Libs will call me a racist and shun me with great self-righteous delight. They all live in white neighborhoods. Their mantra is tolerance and diversity, they don't realize that racism is a two way street. I'm more of a culturalist, that has gone the way of the dodo.
I weed-whacked the corner of the wooded lot the church owns yesterday, the grass and weeds were so high you couldn't see around the corner to make a turn. A guy came walking by talking on a cell phone. I'm a naive and friendly guy in stodgy NJ, the guy had a middle eastern accent and acted like I was interrogating him when I asked if he was from around here. He said, "I am from this development". I felt like saying, "I am from this town, this state, this country."
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:59 am

Yes, it certainly does begin at home & is re-enforced by bleeding heart counselors & teachers, child protection & other suk ass's that have taken parental authority away from the parents. But YES, it begins at home. I raised all 5 of my kids hard, stressing honesty, work ethics & making sure they understood the house creed--"you get in accordance to how you act" 4 do real well & one can't seem to stay out of jail. Pretty good numbers with all the outside interference me thinks. :clap: toothy That old--I want my kids to have it better then poor me did is BS---earn it ya little woodpeckers ;)
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:03 am

Actually Dann I agree a lot with what you said< I just question why it's OK for many so called Americans to hire these people but it's their fault for wanting to work hard? Who is it that hires them & who is it that hires people to do work on their homes that can't speak English? Guess you never had the type of hot job where you wear long johns under your long sleeved clothes all year round, how many Amish do you see with any more than their sleeves rolled up? Maybe that guy in Jersey thought you might be a undercover neighborhood watch guy, & lastly if those people move into white neighborhoods then I would guess that it's no longer a white neighborhood.
I do agree that everyone should speak English if they want to live & work here (legally). People should also invest & spend their hard earned or not so hard earned cash here & that income should be treated as income just like a paycheck. Hopefully in time these people will become legal contributing citizens but that remains to be seen, I had a good "black" friend that spoke 7 langueses fluently because as a young man his family moved up from the south & bought a grocery in a once Jewish area but everyone that came in seemed to be from a different culture so he learned from them & they were happy to teach. Not that we all don't harbor some hate but IMO you have to learn how to control & perhaps divert it so that it doesn't end up eating you, maybe that's in some way how some of these for no apprant murders occur, who knows?
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:19 pm

So, the bastard did it again this morning. I was just pulling into the parking lot of where I pick him up and I get a text message.

'Dude, still in Belmar. Not coming in. I don't have my car.'

I texted him last night, my text read: 'Hey jackass. You have work tomorrow. -Dad' And he replied with, 'I know. Thanks.' Then this morning he doesn't show up again. I let my boss know and he sends me a text message back from my partner that reads:

'I'm in Belmar, still. My friend drove me here and never showed up last night to pick me up. My parents are coming down here to pick me up. I don't know if I'll make it in.'

Is he for real?

I sent him a series of text messages this morning just laying into him. I asked him what was wrong with him then told him to get his *censored* straight because he is a mess. I actually just got off the phone with my other supervisor and he says they are pulling him from me and giving him to another inspector for another job. I started laughing. The job they are sending him to is a school. He can't even show up to do stupid banks how do they expect him to show up to a school?
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:23 pm

I like the story of an Aboriginal tribe in Australia. They lived by the ocean and derived most of their food from fishing. The young ladies of the tribe were concerned with having a good provider as husband. So if a young man wanted to get laid he first had to prove himself to the older men who controlled the boats in order to get invited out and share in the catch. There was pressure to conform and pull your own weight. The screw ups went nowhere and did not reproduce themselves very well. The tribe prospered.

A similar thing was prevalent in this country. An uncle or father would find an opening for a nephew or son. If he did not shape up there was strong family pressure to mend his ways or out he would go. There was family, church, and town usually small enough that everyone knew what each was doing and could and did give or withhold approval. It did not always work but the percentages were a lot better than now.

We have pretty much lost that cohesiveness and with it the social pressure that goes with it. Less so in small towns but even there it can't compare with, for example, 1900.

Government and educational establishments try to instill attitudes that are in direct conflict with the wisdom we are born with. The behavioral wisdom of the species. We end up with a bumper crop of social misfits and criminals. We are only an eye blink away from our tribal origins and our tribe has disappeared.
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:30 pm

The best is, the other inspector they are putting him with for a few days lives in south Jersey. The school is on I-78 West almost into Pennsylvania and they think that he's going to drive his own car to the job. I can almost guarantee you that the other inspector isn't going to be willing to pick his lame ass up.

I'm wondering if this is just some way to get him to finally quit? This is going to be interesting.
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:46 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I actually just got off the phone with my other supervisor and he says they are pulling him from me and giving him to another inspector for another job.


NOOOOOO! :o This a popular thread, you can't do that to us! HAHAHAHAHA :D

samhill wrote:I just question why it's OK for many so called Americans to hire these people but it's their fault for wanting to work hard?


I don't do that, but everybody else does- it's just opportunistic desire for profit over the big picture. It's the lib politicians fault all along.

samhill wrote:Guess you never had the type of hot job where you wear long johns under your long sleeved clothes all year round,

No Sam, I'm not that stupid. :P

samhill wrote:Not that we all don't harbor some hate but IMO you have to learn how to control & perhaps divert it so that it doesn't end up eating you,


HAHAHAH thanks for the lesson, sensei. :lol:
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:49 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I'm wondering if this is just some way to get him to finally quit? This is going to be interesting.


Maybe your boss is more crafty than you give him credit for. :D
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:55 pm

Rob R. wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:I'm wondering if this is just some way to get him to finally quit? This is going to be interesting.


Maybe your boss is more crafty than you give him credit for. :D


Probably. Tomorrow is going to be fun.
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: anthony7812 On: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:22 pm

freetown fred wrote: That old--I want my kids to have it better then poor me did is BS---earn it ya little woodpeckers ;)


I couldnt agree more, but I do feel this way, change the have it better to be more in the lines do it better. I can only hope my daughter way out performs me. Cause I R smart ya kno ;)
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Re: The youth and their shoddy work ethic....

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:41 am

So, I never updated as to what ended up happening to him.

He ended up being suspended for three days. They pulled him into the office and suspended him. They were going to fire him but they decided not to. For whatever reason. On the fourth day he showed up to work, was all upset that he was suspended. But the following day, no show. Then he came in. Next two days. No show.

Now, fast forward to this week. We have several jobs near my house. So, instead of me driving to get him which is 45-an hour out of my way only to work near my house. He is supposed to meet me on the job. He showed up two hours late yesterday, and today he's spent the past hour arguing with me about having to work near my house.

His argument is as follows: "Well, if the job was 40 minutes from your house you wouldn't be on time either."

To which I replied, "You're right. But only because I have to wait for your lame ass to show up. See, where we meet is roughly 40 minutes from my house. And unless I'm sitting in traffic or legitimately late I can be there at 730 or earlier. You live 10 minutes from the place and you still can't be there before 8. So, your argument is wrong. The issue here is you have a job. And with that job there are responsibilities to be there. Now, I'm not saying you need to be on time everyday because, sometimes *censored* happens. But your problem is, you can't ever be on time unless it's to party or screw a chick. But, I forgot. You still live at home with mommy and daddy so no, you have no responsibilities. Just stay home then. I don't want to disturb nap time. I can do these three jobs myself. Enjoy your weekend."
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