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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:01 pm

If this coal were free; trucked to your houses; loaded into some secret bunker, I might understand the fear of getting 'bad coal'........however this operation is not a start-up company, they supply other commercial and retail operations, too.
Perhaps John will give some basic analysis this coming week, and my guess is that it will be a btu output of 13K plus, and ash probably 8 to 12% ash. I believe it is white ash....
If we as a group make it a PITA on suppliers, they might tell you to go pound SAND! See how that works out for you!

Over 42 years of buying coal from many suppliers, and NEVER had an issue. Over 2200 tons and no junk, not a piece. Wood and an occasional rock...big deal. When you fuel up your rig, you assume that the fuel is OK.....why not the coal?

My $.02 says to back the heck off to the naysayers. It may not be perfect for every application, but we all have suppliers now, don't kick a gift-horse in the mouth.

The State of PA keeps records of typical test.....I am very confident that they are trustworthy. :idea: ;)

There are a few folks test burning right now. That will help answer any questions. They may chime in when they are comfortable with their settings and results.
Last edited by whistlenut on Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: coalvet On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:08 pm

whistlenut, I couldn't agree more!
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: NWBuilder On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:51 pm

whistlenut wrote:If this coal were free; trucked to your houses; loaded into some secret bunker, I might understand the fear of getting 'bad coal'........however this operation is not a start-up company, they supply other commercial and retail operations, too.
Perhaps John will give some basic analysis this coming week, and my guess is that it will be a btu output of 13K plus, and ash probably 8 to 12% ash. I believe it is white ash....
If we as a group make it a PITA on suppliers, they might tell you to go pound SAND! See how that works out for you!

Over 42 years of buying coal from many suppliers, and NEVER had an issue. Over 2200 tons and no junk, not a piece. Wood and an occasional rock...big deal. When you fuel up your rig, you assume that the fuel is OK.....why not the coal?

My $.02 says to back the heck off to the naysayers. It may not be perfect for every application, but we all have suppliers now, don't kick a gift-horse in the mouth.

The State of PA keeps records of typical test.....I am very confident that they are trustworthy. :idea: ;)

As usual W N speaks the truth.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: mozz On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:39 pm

whistlenut wrote: There are a few folks test burning right now. That will help answer any questions. They may chime in when they are comfortable with their settings and results.


Before i ordered my 10 ton, i just had 6 ton dumped in my cellar bin from Hudson. I have been putting a few 5 gallon pails daily of the new coal into the bin, but it will take a while before it makes it to the fire. Will report on how it burns when i can actually say how it burns.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: tight-group On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:02 pm

Do you deliver long haul? I'll take 22 tons about 560 miles one way, I did find one hauler that will do it
for under $2,200 if you don't do long haul. zip 04958
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:33 pm

...and would you buy a couple giant Large Lobster Rolls at Amy Lynne's if it were more affordable? What size coal? Nut I assume for the NewMac......25 ton load I assume? Use the PM if you prefer. Info about the dumping spot would be critical.

If John doesn't want to go that far, I know a transporter that lives chose to John's operation. I am in your area on business occasionally and knew the zip.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: tight-group On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:05 pm

whistlenut wrote:...and would you buy a couple giant Large Lobster Rolls at Amy Lynne's if it were more affordable? What size coal? Nut I assume for the NewMac......25 ton load I assume? Use the PM if you prefer. Info about the dumping spot would be critical.

If John doesn't want to go that far, I know a transporter that lives chose to John's operation. I am in your area on business occasionally and knew the zip.



Of course the Rolls are on me! Good deduction on the nut size. The load could be backed in
with relative ease. I thought 22 ton was the max but I'd take the extra 3 ton. the ride on my
end has no posted bridges or detours and the roads are good.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:28 pm

whistlenut wrote:If this coal were free; trucked to your houses; loaded into some secret bunker, I might understand the fear of getting 'bad coal'........however this operation is not a start-up company, they supply other commercial and retail operations, too.
Perhaps John will give some basic analysis this coming week, and my guess is that it will be a btu output of 13K plus, and ash probably 8 to 12% ash. I believe it is white ash....
If we as a group make it a PITA on suppliers, they might tell you to go pound SAND! See how that works out for you!

Over 42 years of buying coal from many suppliers, and NEVER had an issue. Over 2200 tons and no junk, not a piece. Wood and an occasional rock...big deal. When you fuel up your rig, you assume that the fuel is OK.....why not the coal?

My $.02 says to back the heck off to the naysayers. It may not be perfect for every application, but we all have suppliers now, don't kick a gift-horse in the mouth.

The State of PA keeps records of typical test.....I am very confident that they are trustworthy. :idea: ;)

There are a few folks test burning right now. That will help answer any questions. They may chime in when they are comfortable with their settings and results.


If inquiring about the burn, or debris or whatever makes me a "naysayer" then someone needs bigger shoulders. I am only asking because the price does sound good, I am interested, and if I don't ask then I wont know. I don't recall reading any negative pointed comments on this thread, but I mostly read from my phone and may have missed a few. This board is what formed my opinion on what to look for in coal, ash out put compared to BTU's, debris in loads... and so on.
I guess I'll hold off on my questions with the intentions of buying from John and wait for the reviews. I am looking to fill the bin soon, so I guess I'll head back to Harmony.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: whistlenut On: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:55 pm

I didn't mean to ruffle feathers, but like you guys, I want to know about: clinkers encountered, ash content, btu output, too. There is no point in having 23 tons of 'Clinker Coal' even if the price is less.
John should be back at the office tomorrow he said, so perhaps we can resolve some questions/issues. My point was that we need to have all the info we can before we jump off the bridge....... with no bungee rope.

I have retrieved coal from old houses that WOULD NOT BURN, however only one time. You can bet your rump I won't do that again.
My opinion was that if a supplier sent a TT load of crap up here, we would make damned sure it would never happen again. The guys around here are very careful who they deal with, so 'Bargain Coal' won't be sold.

There are 3 guys burning this right now, and the results will be available when they feel comfortable to do so. It burns hot.... is all I know right now. I may contain iron and that could clinker...... Give the guys a few days.....
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:27 pm

I hustled right down there and got a ton of rice/buck to try before I bought a TT load. To supply my DHW I have been burning it for a week now. Well,,,, I should say trying to burn it. It burns real hot. That is the only good thing I can say about it. If someone would like the rest of a ton of Rice/Buck you can have it for free. You only need to get it the f**k out of my bin. This guy said that the EFM guys love it. Bull sh8t!!!! I'm only hoping that I just got a bad bunch and the rest isn't like this. Sorry to ruin a good thing. This product rates 0 out of 5 stars. Scott
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:30 am

Nice clinker!!!! The AA's and AHS's might not be happy with that, but I'll wait to see. Wonder about the Keystoker's, Leisure Lines, Alaska and Yellow Flame's, Gentleman Janitor's and Van Wert's. More test burns required. :idea:
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Alaska-4,Keystoker-2,
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:39 am

how bout hand fired I wonder ;)
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: Newport Aggregate On: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:16 pm

Thank you everyone for your positive emails and phone calls. Scott I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and I wish you luck on your future endeavors. I'm back from vacation, trying to sort thru everyone's emails and phone calls. I'm meeting with one of our Trucking subs today, who is interested on DEL up and down the East Coast. Also I have a phone call into Canadian Pacific Railroad to get rates and staging area information for our out of state interests. Feel free to call or email if you need info ASAP, otherwise please be patient as I go down the list. Thank you. JO
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: k9 Bara On: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:13 pm

Newport Aggregate wrote:Thank you everyone for your positive emails and phone calls. Scott I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and I wish you luck on your future endeavors. I'm back from vacation, trying to sort thru everyone's emails and phone calls. I'm meeting with one of our Trucking subs today, who is interested on DEL up and down the East Coast. Also I have a phone call into Canadian Pacific Railroad to get rates and staging area information for our out of state interests. Feel free to call or email if you need info ASAP, otherwise please be patient as I go down the list. Thank you. JO


Might be just me, but that wasn't very reassuring. No comment on the clinker / burn issue? Almost like you expected this result :?: Your coal burns a lot like soft coal. Cakes up, chokes out the fire. I'm sure there are better applications that this coal would perform better in, I just hope people aren't gonna have a ton of issues with what they have purchased already.

I expect this thread to get much more active as the heating season is upon us.

Again, just the opinion of someone standing in the back row. This is by no means an attack on John, I just want people to be informed as much as possible as to the product their buying. Thank you to ScottCoaled, I know you didn't want to say anything negative but you you reported your results with your application.
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Re: Coal for Sale

PostBy: mozz On: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:26 pm

Did you make adjustments or just dump it in? Tell what settings you use on your EFM.



Scottscoaled wrote:I hustled right down there and got a ton of rice/buck to try before I bought a TT load. To supply my DHW I have been burning it for a week now. Well,,,, I should say trying to burn it. It burns real hot. That is the only good thing I can say about it. If someone would like the rest of a ton of Rice/Buck you can have it for free. You only need to get it the f**k out of my bin. This guy said that the EFM guys love it. Bull sh8t!!!! I'm only hoping that I just got a bad bunch and the rest isn't like this. Sorry to ruin a good thing. This product rates 0 out of 5 stars. Scott
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