obama clean coal ad

I just heard Obama's clean coal ad on the radio, I dont see how he could think anyone would beleive him.

heres a link if you want to listen to it

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012 ... 31196.html

Wasn't he shutting down plants left and right the entire time he's been in office? I'm confused.

I do admit, I don't follow politics like some of you; mainly because of my clear lack of understanding them. The only thing I do know is that I can't stand Obama and don't like Romney and will most likely vote for Mickey Mouse or Adolf Hitler come voting season since I've got no idea who to vote for, is Ron Paul still on the ballet?

I thought the EPA put more stringent regulations on coal fired power plants and as a result there were a lot of older plants that shut down because it wasnt worth the money for the upgrades. I have heard the speech where obama was claiming to bankrupt any new coal power plants. Im thinking that he is just a lier and is spreading lies I know in WV there was a no name fellon from texas that got a large number of votes back in April or May.

Its probbably just a snippet of information that is being used out of context.

Once again, Obama, Romney, no difference.

lsayre wrote:Once again, Obama, Romney, no difference.

So Obama and Romney subscribe to the same ideology?

I think what he means is different puppet, same puppeteer.

Posted it before but it's not what you want to read, the EPA is bigger than the houses. http://www.epa.gov/lawsregs/laws/caa.html

franco b wrote:

lsayre wrote:Once again, Obama, Romney, no difference.

So Obama and Romney subscribe to the same ideology?

Yes, at least with respect to health care (where Obamacare = Romneycare) and coal (where both want to eliminate it), and gun control (OK, here I'll grant that Romeny gets only a D- to Obama's F). And by implication, in a broad spectrum of other areas as well. I'm quite certain that (at least for now) the real Romney is in hiding. He can and will morph to get elected. Then, of course, its ditto for Obama.

lsayre wrote:Once again, Obama, Romney, no difference.

No way. Obama is a socialist idealogue nannystate big government elitist actor put in place by powers that want to bring America down. No experience is showing. Don't fall for the leftist propaganda.

Romney knows how to handle big problems and he is an American. He was a governor.

If you hit the lottery for a million bucks, who would you want to handle your money, Romney or Obama. Obama would give it away to our enemies or the welfare scum Sam mentions so much. Romney would get you a profit.

They also tell you Mass. was 47th in job creation. They don't tell you he brought the unemployment down enough so that everybody was working, despite the democrat machine he was up against.

Obama is blatantly lieing right to our faces. The desperation of his complete inability to run on his record is apparent.

If he meant what he said he would open Federal lands to oil drilling and in ten years we would be pumping millions of barrels more a day.

He throws $500,000,000 at Solyndra and the money vanished. It's probably in his campaign coffers. His green energy total failures are either from complete incompetance, or part of a plan to destroy our country.

Hitler and Stalin wouldn't match up very well by a number of measures, but when it came down to brass tacks, there was no significant difference in the outcome of their differing approaches. That's how I see Obama and Romney. One is a Communist masquerading as a Socialist, and the other is a Socialist masquerading as a Neocon. See my attached political spectrum PDF for where I personally perceive that this places them.

NOTE: Neocon and Fascist (or National Socialist) are effectively equivalent, so you are free to label this category using either term depending upon how honest you are. Corporatists would fit into this category as well.

C'mon you are usually so logical and clear headed and now you are getting all emotional on us.

Just look at there top donors . They are both the same . They are owned by Goldman Sachs and other mega banks .

franco b wrote:C'mon you are usually so logical and clear headed and now you are getting all emotional on us.

The chart I devised in the Political Spectrum PDF above is quite logical, no? Everyone sits somewhere on the outside edge of the diamond.

lsayre wrote:

franco b wrote:C'mon you are usually so logical and clear headed and now you are getting all emotional on us.

The chart I devised in the Political Spectrum PDF above is quite logical, no? Everyone sits somewhere on the outside edge of the diamond.

Most people can jump all around depending on the issue. I don't think religious right is the opposite of socialist for example. Even Sam can be quite conservative at times (don't tell him though).

franco b wrote:

lsayre wrote:

franco b wrote:C'mon you are usually so logical and clear headed and now you are getting all emotional on us.

The chart I devised in the Political Spectrum PDF above is quite logical, no? Everyone sits somewhere on the outside edge of the diamond.

Most people can jump all around depending on the issue. I don't think religious right is the opposite of socialist for example. Even Sam can be quite conservative at times (don't tell him though).

Ah, therein lies the problem. Your perspective of opposites is off kilter. You are reading the scales of the diamond incorrectly. As both sides approach either the top most or bottom most point of the diamond, they actually meld and become more alike, not more opposite. The top and bottom halves of the diamond are ultimately the real opposites. They are more opposite yet if they are at the top left vs. the bottom right, or the top right vs. the bottom left.

You are right. Most people have the ability to morph their ideology. It takes both principles and values (I.E., character, right or wrong, good or evil) to have an ideology that is entrenched upon the diamond at a fixed point. Morphing is done only at the behest of sacrificing ones own true principles and values. And since Romney has morphed the farthest from his real ideology, he is clearly the least principled of the two candidates.

Have you ever noticed how Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul often seem to agree and be alike, even though Dennis is a Social Libertarian leftist and Ron is an Objectivist Libertarian rightist? It is because they are both approaching the top pinnacle, and although they are coming at it from differing perspectives (different sides), their outlooks are often quite similar on many issues.

Have you also noticed how the establishment Democratic party (which is collectively sitting somewhere around or between the Socialist and Communist zones at present) despises Dennis Kucinich more than any other Democrat, and likewise how the Republican Party (which collectively sits somewhere between Religious Right and Necon at the present time) absolutely despises Ron Paul more than any other Republican? It is only because they are on the opposite half of the diamond from the up/down perspective that they are so despised. I wonder if this had anything to do with both of their Congressional districts being gerrymandered out of existence, and thus both of their Congressional careers are now coming to an end when their terms expire? Hummm???

Those with the least principles and values of all actually sit at either the left most or right most points of the diamond. They are the diametrically opposed brain dead "useful idiots" whom the establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans count upon to indefinitely continue the DemoPublican charade. The ones who are the most easily duped into believing (through blind faith, not logic) that collective wisdom actually does arise from a pool of individual ignorance.

I personally believe that as those sitting on either side of the diamond approach the top pinnacle of the diamond they are approaching the ideal of goodness and justice, and as either side approaches the bottom pinnacle of the diamond they are approaching pure evil and injustice, but clearly I am in the minority on that point.