Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:22 pm

I don't understand how you can say that without hearing anything from the RNC yet, or am I missing the concept of what an open mind is. God knows I've listened/read enough nonsense on the political rantings here on the FORUM, with an open mind might I add and these opinions here are just what people pick & pull on whatever fits their needs/beliefs. I wonder if any of it might be thought provoking ????
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:31 pm

Because the RNC doesn't want people to think. It's counter productive to their goals.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:46 pm

At this point, I kinda think that is all conjecture on your part. I'm just saying that I'm not going to sit down to listen with my mind already made up by a bunch of media garbage. I just want to hear what these people have to say & draw conclusions after.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:51 pm

You really think you'll hear anything like a rational, reasoned, thought provoking argument like "evictionism"?

It's not their style. It's blind nationalism and pablum.

I'm listening to the roll call vote now. It's painful.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:55 pm

Don't know if I will or not, but I'm sure not going to fall into that dark pit of negativity that so many today seem to enjoy wallowing in.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:57 pm

I've eating, sleeping, and crapping this stuff since 2007.

It's not negativity, it's realism.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:25 pm

I'm sorry to hear that, just remember, it's only YOUR reality, which of course you are entitled to. This is The United States of America after all.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:32 pm

cokehead wrote:"1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

Source: http://www.lp.org/platform

"good-faith views"........"kept out of the matter" That is political cowardice.


At the very least the Libertarians would stop all government funded abortion. They want the government out of the matter completely. The only alternative is government by force.

Ultimately one must decide if the government should rightly exist only to both defend and litigate matters of property rights (wherein all rights are defined to be property rights, and all rights are inherently and inalienably possessed by each sovereign individual, with there existing no such thing as a collective right), or if government should exist to legislate and enforce literally everything, ultimately including morality itself. And if a person has a right to their own property, that must include their very being and existence (life itself), since if stripped of everything else one at least possesses ownership of the living and breathing self.

It is up to the individual alone to selectively sacrifice rights, and if ones morality leads them to make such a sacrifice, that is their free and rightful choice. To this end one must be very careful as to the morality they exhibit in the presence of their children. Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it (Proverbs 22:6). This is a responsibility and sacrifice for the individual to decide, and not the government.

A proper government also has no power to grant privileges, as each and every privilege granted must be to the benefit of one's property while simultaneously being to the detriment of another's property. The privilege of granting an abortion at taxpayer expense (just as for granting medical care, retirement care, food assistance, living assistance, etc...) is a clear violation of property rights.

Once we agree to give up property rights in return for mere privileges, we start down a slippery slope toward totalitarianism, either from the right or from the left (this part matters little to not at all), with the ultimate end result of totalitarianism being the same no mater which side of the descending left/right slope we permit the government to follow. This is a reflection of, as well as a consequence of cowardice. One of the Founders recognized as much and stated that "Those willing to give up freedom for security deserve neither". This statement did not say 'those from the left who are willing ...' or 'those from the right who are willing...'.

The ultimate choice we have as sovereign individuals is to have government respect property rights, or to have it not respect them (and instead grant privileges). As a nation we are very far down the road of having abrogated away our sovereignty and our inalienable rights in return for granted privileges. This all reminds me of the Biblical case of the Hebrews demanding that they be given a King to rule over them as for all of the other nations they witnessed, and suffering from that point forward the full consequences of their demand.

Perhaps the most primary visible witness to the fact of our abrogation of rights to privileges is the social security card.

And to bring this into the focus of the thread, it is my opinion that the fear that Ron Paul might speak to some of the matters which I have discussed above is the reason why the Republicans abjectly fear and despise him, and why you will not hear him speak at the convention.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:11 pm

Lets see no abortions, no health care, no birth control & no who knows what all else, younz really are the party of no. My wife can remember when young women all of a sudden stopped coming into the ER with botch back alley abortions that took many lives, I guess the ERs will have to tool up for those cases once again, build new orphanages, don't know who will pick up the tab for all this, never mind, I know some things never change.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:44 pm

samhill wrote:Lets see no abortions, no health care, no birth control & no who knows what all else, younz really are the party of no. My wife can remember when young women all of a sudden stopped coming into the ER with botch back alley abortions that took many lives, I guess the ERs will have to tool up for those cases once again, build new orphanages, don't know who will pick up the tab for all this, never mind, I know some things never change.


You're so concerned about it, I'm sure you'll kick in the $$$.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:58 pm

lsayre wrote:And to bring this into the focus of the thread, it is my opinion that the fear that Ron Paul might speak to some of the matters which I have discussed above is the reason why the Republicans abjectly fear and despise him, and why you will not hear him speak at the convention.


I hear they cobbled together some YouTube videos as a "video tribute" to him that is going to make it look like he agrees with Ron Paul.

The Maine delegation has already left the floor from what I understand.

I was hoping all the RP people would stay and turn their backs on the video.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: rberq On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:02 pm

jpete wrote:Because the RNC doesn't want people to think. It's counter productive to their goals.

And if you think like Ron Paul, they don't want you to talk. I don't know if it has made national news, but the Republicans in Maine elected a full slate of Paul delegates, except for three or four members of the machine who don't have to be elected. And of course the machine delegates cried foul and the RNC basically booted the Paul delegates as not legitimate.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:48 pm

This is not a good start. Where's Sarah?
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:12 pm

I'm glad to hear that half of the Maine delegation got up and walked out.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:46 pm

jpete wrote:
samhill wrote:Lets see no abortions, no health care, no birth control & no who knows what all else, younz really are the party of no. My wife can remember when young women all of a sudden stopped coming into the ER with botch back alley abortions that took many lives, I guess the ERs will have to tool up for those cases once again, build new orphanages, don't know who will pick up the tab for all this, never mind, I know some things never change.


You're so concerned about it, I'm sure you'll kick in the $$$.


Barbra Brandon was once giving a lecture on Objectivism (the philosophy of Ayn Rand) when a distraught student spoke up and asked her "But what will happen to the poor?", to which Barbra Brandon replied "If you wish to help them, no one will stop you". (quotes here are from memory) This pretty much sums up the Libertarian position as well.

I seem to recall stating that ones morality and upbringing determine largely how one positions ones self with respect to the abortion issue. No government funding does not equal no abortions. Neither does it mean no health care opportunities, retirement benefit opportunities, etc....
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