Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

I heard on the way home on NPR that they changed the rules on the floor to only count the delegates that were voting the way the party wanted them to . Is this true ? Hey Sam if you want to help someone out you go right ahead . I think anyone that performs an abortion should be tried for murder . I don't care how the lawyers define it it's still murder . If someone tries to do it themselves they should be tried also .

If people can't see by now that this is a rigged game they never will . They aren't going to like what it's going to take to wake them up if this won't . I quit hoping for change in politics months ago . If the people won't change it's going to get really ugly soon . These election are a waste .

Why all the pessimism? If Romney wins it will mean a new group of insiders and a great deal will remain the same but a great deal will also change for the better. You don't get revolutions very often and most of the time they make things worse. I suspect Paul would have been the candidate the Democrats would have preferred to face. They would have torn him to pieces with lies, innuendo, and manufactured panic.

Speaker after speaker at the convention has said things that should have made any Libertarian's heart glad.
I can understand how you feel, it's how I felt when Taft did not get the nomination, but Ike turned out OK.

Ann Romney has just proved herself to be Mitt's greatest asset in the campaign. What a contrast to Michelle Obama.

Outstanding post franco b-- you put my oratory skills to shame.

All I said is that you can have either legal abortions or illegal abortions you will still have them either way. Ryan's intent also does away with IVFs so many he figures the adoptions will pick up but you got to wonder how far they want to go, do they once again stop stem cell research? Just seems like they prefer going backwards instead of forwards & they want to inject their own religious beliefs into politics.

Is that really what you get out of all this? If so, I find that real sad. projection, intent, shoulda, coulda, woulda--yep, sad. To what extent is questionable, but anyone that truly believes that there is a separation of Church & State, needs to bone up on the history of this Country & get their heads out of the sand.

No Fred, I know there has never been a separation of churches & state & personally feel that there are far too many now to the point of being just another tax dodge but that's not the point. It's when you start bringing ones personal beliefs & forcing them on others, I really believe that it should be a woman's very personal feelings to do what she feels is best for her personal situation. To boot so far the GOP is deciding what a woman's rights are with an all male point of view. The same could be said for their views on gay marriage, they want an amendment to now take away rights given in another. I have no problem with Fed. funds not being used but like I said who pays on the other side.

samhill wrote:All I said is that you can have either legal abortions or illegal abortions you will still have them either way. Ryan's intent also does away with IVFs so many he figures the adoptions will pick up but you got to wonder how far they want to go, do they once again stop stem cell research? Just seems like they prefer going backwards instead of forwards & they want to inject their own religious beliefs into politics.

Fred's response was right on. you will never get religion out of politics or politics out of religion. And is it not religion of a personal sort when you state a belief that can not be verified by accepted scientific criteria?

Regarding stem cell research, government did not stop it, just government support was stopped. Scientists are free to research all they want, just on their own dime. Genetics has and will continue to unravel a lot about what we are, how we got the way we are, and new directions in healing. Where money is to be made as it is in medicine no government support is needed if we wish to get it faster and better and cheaper.

Franco, faster, better & cheaper? Do you think there is going to be a rush by private investors to put products out there without a major return on their money? You think there would be no cost cutting or less than nesserary testing? I don't know what world your living in but I have a sure cure for many ailments & a positive way to stop the gay population growth.

samhill wrote:Franco, faster, better & cheaper? Do you think there is going to be a rush by private investors to put products out there without a major return on their money? You think there would be no cost cutting or less than nesserary testing? I don't know what world your living in but I have a sure cure for many ailments & a positive way to stop the gay population growth.

There will be a major return on money. Why do you presuppose fraud? Does government taking their skim off the top prevent it?

I think this thread is drifting too much. Why not post a new topic and we can argue some more.

No use arguing about the republican ticket. It might be a topic for future discussion however.

franco b wrote:... it's how I felt when Taft did not get the nomination, but Ike turned out OK.

Me too. My Daddy gave me a green lollipop to celebrate and let me stay up 'til 6:30 that evening.
Actually, the leadup to that election IS one of my earliest memories. I remember my Mom and Dad discussing Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, though what they said eludes me now. Why that has stuck in my mind all these years, I have no idea.

rberq wrote:Why that has stuck in my mind all these years, I have no idea.

Well i do. That lollipop was all a part of subtle mind conditioning. You remember the lollipop but not what your sub conscious retained. Explains a lot.

Now that was funny--lucky bastard--out on Grandpops farm, all I got was an "I LIKE IKE" button to wear to school--no lollipop---WTF