Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:42 pm

And I, ironically have news for people of your thinking, seems the closer it gets to Nov, the more ridiculous the come backs become.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:42 pm

jpete wrote:
franco b wrote:You know I like most of what you write, but I think you have thrown out logic in favor of eloquence. The paradigm of the right certainly favors Libertarianism far more than does the left. There even was discussion by the analysts how much Libertarian thinking is influencing the convention. I don;t think Mitt Romney will be anybodies puppet. his history denies that. If you heard his economic adviser tonight you would have heard some serious and meaningful talk. The only way your position makes sense to me is that you would like to hurry along a crisis by the election of Obama to finally muster enough support for a Paul type program.


WHAT...in his history indicates he WON'T be a puppet?

The guy has been on every side of every issue.

I got news for you, the fact that he is in the running to be POTUS means he is ALREADY a puppet.

You don't reach his position in life being a puppet. i think he has a quiet competence and modesty rather than any phony flair. This hurts him in the likability department. He doesn't deal in fairy dust as Obama would have it with his impeccable logic. The selection of Ryan indicates serious things are in the works in the area of tax reform and I think Sam will be pleased that the brunt will be borne by the wealthy. If elected you will see a few significant changes even before he takes office and more in six months. You will hear the Democrats howl even in Rhode Island.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:58 pm

The Ryan Plan is a JOKE.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:02 pm

This article sums up the evil Republican convention practices rather well:

http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politi ... ate-romney
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: SMITTY On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:20 pm

rberq wrote:.... I suspect that for Romney and many like him, religion is more of a social disease -- excuse me, a social phenomenon -- than it is a true belief system. Anybody who really BELIEVES all those Mormon teachings is a certifiable moonbat. We say nothing about other religious beliefs....

First off, the term MOONBAT has already been taken to describe the left. Secondly, what say you about your beloved party's "Juma"? I hear Siraj Wahhaj will be speaking there - you know, the unindicted co-conspirator in the '93 Trade Center bombing ... testified on behalf of the Blind Sheik at his trial ... is involved with CAIR- the same organization that stifles media by threatening lawsuits over every word they perceive as "anti-Islamic". You guys are awfully concerned about Christians & Mormons .... but democrats are bedfellows with EXTREMIST MUSLIMS!! Hillary Clinton's right hand woman Huma Abedin has CLOSE RELATIVES in the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD!! :doh: In case you've been asleep for the past 12 years, we happen to be at war with extremist muslims. Why the concern over Mormons? Have they flown planes into a building somewhere you've been? :confused:
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:12 pm

CAIR is the liberal AIPAC.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:33 pm

jpete wrote:The Ryan Plan is a JOKE.

Forget the Ryan plan. It is only a hint of the direction. The real fight will be tax reform.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:45 pm

You don't actually believe that do you?
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:53 pm

jpete wrote:You don't actually believe that do you?

Time will tell but first he has to get elected.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:13 am

My opinion, if he actually cut taxes, we'd be doubly screwed because he has no intention of cutting spending.

He's already showed a willingness for going to war with Iran and that gets expensive in a hurry.

He's also vowed to label China a "currency manipulator" which is f*cking hilarious on the verge of QEIII from the Federal Reserve.

I don't know if you have bought tires recently, but you can thank GWB's tire trade war for the ridiculous price of them and that'll look like a pillow fight if Romney actually fulfills his campaign promise.

The up side is that I don't expect his actions to meet his rhetoric.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:32 am

God knows we don't want your expectations to be dampened. :D
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:12 am

jpete wrote:My opinion, if he actually cut taxes, we'd be doubly screwed because he has no intention of cutting spending.

He's already showed a willingness for going to war with Iran and that gets expensive in a hurry.

He's also vowed to label China a "currency manipulator" which is f*cking hilarious on the verge of QEIII from the Federal Reserve.

I don't know if you have bought tires recently, but you can thank GWB's tire trade war for the ridiculous price of them and that'll look like a pillow fight if Romney actually fulfills his campaign promise.

The up side is that I don't expect his actions to meet his rhetoric.

Any tax cuts would be the result of overall tax reform and probably be revenue neutral.

A bit of Sabre rattling is not out of place concerning Iran.

China does manipulate currency and did you not argue that the President can't control Fed policy?

Agree on the tires

Seems to say that you prefer the current situation.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:23 am

Having an "independent Fed" is a thin veneer on our own currency manipulation. Every country with fiat money manipulates their currency. That's why they HAVE fiat money! So they can manipulate it!

The Ryan Plan increases spending at a slightly lower rate than Obama's plan. You can't do that and be revenue neutral. You either need more taxes or more debt. There isn't a chance in hell of Romney cutting huge swaths of government to make up what he'd need.

Do I prefer the current situation? Over making it worse? Yes!
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:38 am

jpete wrote:Having an "independent Fed" is a thin veneer on our own currency manipulation. Every country with fiat money manipulates their currency. That's why they HAVE fiat money! So they can manipulate it!

The Ryan Plan increases spending at a slightly lower rate than Obama's plan. You can't do that and be revenue neutral. You either need more taxes or more debt. There isn't a chance in hell of Romney cutting huge swaths of government to make up what he'd need.

Do I prefer the current situation? Over making it worse? Yes!

They have fiat money to fund deficits rather than to manipulate. It may come out the same way but the intent is different.

Already stated that tax reform is the way that will be attempted, not the Ryan plan. And yes huge cuts are not possible.

Making it worse is an assumption on your part. Romney's expertise is in business and that is where his major push will come.The only politically acceptable way to increase revenue is through expansion.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:08 pm

Printing money out of thin air is manipulation.

If you did it, they charge you with counterfeiting and put you in jail.

Everyone touts Mitt's business experience. His experience tells him to liquidate companies that are too loaded with debt. Is that the plan? Because if it is, I might actually vote for him.

Somehow, I don't think so. Somehow, I think the status quo will be the order of the day.

His string pullers at Goldman Sachs won't allow any other way.
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