Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: plumb-r On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:21 am

Since Ron Paul took part in all the Republican debates, will he follow the propriety of supporting the person who recieves the Republican nomination :?: :?: :?: :|
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: SMITTY On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:52 am

I doubt he will. Seems like a man of principles ... so to fully support Romney would go against everything he's done the past 30 years.

In other news it seems the RNC is changing the wording of their constitution so as to prevent people like him .. and the Tea Party, from calling the shots in the future .... :x

http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/08/liber ... iron-fist/
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:24 am

SMITTY wrote:In other news it seems the RNC is changing the wording of their constitution so as to prevent people like him .. and the Tea Party, from calling the shots in the future ....


Kind of shoots down any idealism and buries it under a mountain of rules. Typical lawyer behavior. "Ye shall know them by their acts"
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:18 pm

plumb-r wrote:Since Ron Paul took part in all the Republican debates, will he follow the propriety of supporting the person who recieves the Republican nomination :?: :?: :?: :|


Not gonna happen.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: cokehead On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:39 pm

I'm a totally reformed Republican now. When I get around to it I'm changing my voter registration from Republican to Independent or Libertarian. It is hard to be pro-life and Libertarian. It has become impossible to be for financially responsible government and for personal liberty and be Republican or Democrat. The idea that compromising your principles is how things get done grates against me. Compromise and criminal deceit is what got us to where we are today. Too many people trade good principles in for wealth or a paycheck. I can now longer be part of it. My eyes have opened. If Ron Paul follows in the footsteps of his son and endorses Romney I would loose all respect for him and thank God he has stated plainly that he won't.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:42 pm

Ron Paul has had no difficulties in being both pro-life and libertarian.

Does anyone know if Ron Paul will be permitted to speak at the Convention? My guess is that he willl not.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: Ed.A On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:27 pm

lsayre wrote:Ron Paul has had no difficulties in being both pro-life and libertarian.

Does anyone know if Ron Paul will be permitted to speak at the Convention? My guess is that he willl not.


I agree, I'm not seeing that happen. I think to secure Rands future he will probably slip off into the sunset without making to many waves.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: cokehead On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:37 pm

Ron Paul said,"‘It wouldn’t be my speech,’...‘That would undo everything I’ve done in the last 30 years. I don’t fully endorse him for president.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z24mTMfXFs

If you are to read between the lines what do you think he really thinks about Rand's decision to back Romney?

Personally I think Rand broke his father's heart.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: warminmn On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:59 pm

I think Rand is speaking at the convention but not Ron. No promises that I'm right as the hurricane may have changed that.

I dont know how to do the quote thing but Cokehead, you said its hard to be pro-life and libertarian. It used to be almost every Dem was pro-choice and almost every Repub was pro-life. Thats changed quite a bit in the last 20 years. Now a lot of Repubs, but not all, that call themselves pro-life still have exceptions for incest and rape so is that still pro-life? maybe, maybe not. And the handful of Dems that are pro-life dont have to lie about their views so it has changed.

Libertarians would stop federal funding for abortion and i bet that would take a big slice out of the number of abortions. There are conservative libertarians too. You'd probably have to join the constitution party if that was your main concern. The Independence Party, at least in my state which elected Ventura, allows you to not agree with all their platform which is a little different. So even though they have prochoice on their platform it is considered fine to be prolife.

I used to be a pro-life, pro-gun democrat until 1988, try doing that! ha ha. I'm Independent now and thats how and why I'm not a Dem anymore. Good luck on deciding which party to become part of.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:19 pm

cokehead wrote: It is hard to be pro-life and Libertarian.


Why?

If the basic premise of a libertarian is living a life free from force and fraud, it would seem easy to be pro life.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: cokehead On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:50 am

jpete wrote:
cokehead wrote: It is hard to be pro-life and Libertarian.


Why?

If the basic premise of a libertarian is living a life free from force and fraud, it would seem easy to be pro life.


Abortion is force directed against a living defenseless human being. Those who want to justify abortion do so by denying the humanity of the living unborn. It is tantamount to genocide and is continuing to this day. Isn't the law suppose to defend the defenseless? Isn't denying the humanity of the unborn fraud?
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:58 am

Cokehead, wouldn't that all depend on when one believes life begins? The Ryan bill that I read some of had no exceptions for rape, incest or the mothers life, it even opposed IVF which several of Romney's grand children were conceived by. I think the GOP has a lot of defining to do on most of their proposals, so far many seem to be dependent on other things that my or my not happen.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:40 am

cokehead wrote:
jpete wrote:
cokehead wrote: It is hard to be pro-life and Libertarian.


Why?

If the basic premise of a libertarian is living a life free from force and fraud, it would seem easy to be pro life.


Abortion is force directed against a living defenseless human being. Those who want to justify abortion do so by denying the humanity of the living unborn. It is tantamount to genocide and is continuing to this day. Isn't the law suppose to defend the defenseless? Isn't denying the humanity of the unborn fraud?


Right. So if you are a libertarian that believes you should be free from force, then you MUST be "pro life" as abortion is an act of force against another person.

I would find it somewhat difficult to be a pro choice libertarian but I'm sure they exist.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: cokehead On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:16 pm

"1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration."

Source: http://www.lp.org/platform

"good-faith views"........"kept out of the matter" That is political cowardice.
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Re: Ron Paul and the Republican ticket

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:05 pm

It kinds of depends on you concept of when life begins. And not taking a position would seem consistent with the LP.

They don't want to tell anyone how to run their lives so the "safe" position is to keep government out of it to prevent those who are morally against the practice from having to fund it with their tax dollars.

It takes an unemotional mind to be a libertarian.

How can I force someone to act my way if I don't want them to force me to act theirs?

I haven't found Walter Block's full speech video but watched it live and it was thought provoking. I'm not sure if it was practical, but it was way higher level than anything you'll see at the RNC. :D

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... tion-econ/
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