Generators

Re: Generators

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:41 am

Yes they are, but when the whole neighborhood is without power, 1/2 of my neighbors have the noisy contraptions also, it makes it ok to pollute the ear drums of others.


NO, I mean during Sandy after 48 hours WE couldn't stand it. It made me scale back my whole gen thinking on many fronts.
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Re: Generators

PostBy: foxfire1962 On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:47 pm

Just had a 10,000K GE wired, believe it or not it is relatively quite, mine is hooked up to natural gas, runs everything in my house and garage....Love it... :D
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Re: Generators

PostBy: McGiever On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:10 pm

Besides the quality of the mufflers to muffle the exhaust noise, the big and mostly stationary units do also run at 1/2 of the engine speed of the smaller portable units...1800 vs 3600 rpm. The bigger stationary generators have small automotive style mufflers rather than a lawn mower type.
Now, that's a big difference when it comes to "screaming", seemingly, endless noise. :idea:
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Re: Generators

PostBy: nealkas On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:29 pm

2 votes for multiple generators and a deepcycle batt/inverter/ups or two.

With the led bulbs, I can run all the house lights and the laptop, cell, ipad, etc. on a trickle.
One smaller genny runs the fridge, furnace or window ac, and pc monitor.
Made a open ended box and point the exhaust towards the field and woods, cuts the noise considerably.

I fire up the 6500 strictly for the stove/oven, water pump, water heater, run the freezer for a few hours, or to run the dryer. Then turn it off.

Haven't done the transfer switches yet. I want to redo the electrics this summer.

Mild nights, just used the batteries for quiet.

We ran like this for over a week twice, and over 2 weeks once.
Kathy said, getting gas is a small pain for this much convenience. :D

Run the gennies for an hour under load once every 8 weeks.
Then turn off the gas and let the carb run empty.
I change the oil every 25 hours or annually, whichever comes first and add Camguard.
Buy E0 straight 94 octane premium gas from Hasslers in Womelsdorf and treat it with Stabil and Seafoam.
Change out that gas every 6 month, run the old gas in the truck.

Oh and if the weather guys convincingly call for severe weather, I check start them again to be sure.

Maybe overkill... But much easier than cursing in your underwear in a 3am rainstorm. :mad:
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Re: Generators

PostBy: foxfire1962 On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:35 pm

Yes sir, now today I am having my Koker Lite installed, I am at ease now knowing my whole house is on its own grid if need be...:)
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Re: Generators

PostBy: Earnest1974 On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:33 pm

Electrician here, 20 + years experience Here is my advice, the interlock for breakers is illegal and far from code remember just because they make it does not mean it can be used in all applications. your utility company, has the legal right (especially in deregulated states) to bring the police and legally take your generator. to prevent any damage or injury. A automatic or manual transfer switch that totally isolates the generator from utility is the only legal recourse. I have seen this happen many times in my career, the utility company do not mess around.

Propane is ok but to small of a tank on a cold day and TA DA you are out of luck, I have even seen the pressure drop to low to even start them especially in northeast PA. A very small 20kw unit needs at least a 1000 gal tank to run 24/7. and then most of them are not designed to run 24/7. And they will typically over heat and shut down, not the engine but the generator side of these units.

Natural gas , usually good but remember if it is a large area outage you can loose gas if the gas company looses power as well same disadvantages as propane, This happened in Ohio a few years back a lot of natural gas units no natural gas.

Diesel way to go if you are serious . I have a 40 KW Cummins Diesel that powers my home along with a 200 amp automatic transfer switch, power goes out and before you can count to 5 it is back on. a little pricey but in my opinion well worth it. Mine will run for 14+ days 24/7 before I need to switch fuel tanks. it starts every Sunday and runs under a load. I have installed a lot of generators in my career so be safe and choose wisely. I will post a few picture of my setup in a few
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Re: Generators

PostBy: Earnest1974 On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:38 pm

Here is my setup
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Re: Generators

PostBy: Earnest1974 On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:43 pm

Here is a handy device that I have installed many of, it works great and is decently priced

http://www.generlink.com/about_generlink.cfm
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Re: Generators

PostBy: grumpy On: Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:56 pm

Earnest1974 wrote:Electrician here, 20 + years experience Here is my advice, the interlock for breakers is illegal and far from code remember just because they make it does not mean it can be used in all applications. your utility company, has the legal right (especially in deregulated states) to bring the police and legally take your generator. to prevent any damage or injury. A automatic or manual transfer switch that totally isolates the generator from utility is the only legal recourse. I have seen this happen many times in my career, the utility company do not mess around.

Propane is ok but to small of a tank on a cold day and TA DA you are out of luck, I have even seen the pressure drop to low to even start them especially in northeast PA. A very small 20kw unit needs at least a 1000 gal tank to run 24/7. and then most of them are not designed to run 24/7. And they will typically over heat and shut down, not the engine but the generator side of these units.

Natural gas , usually good but remember if it is a large area outage you can loose gas if the gas company looses power as well same disadvantages as propane, This happened in Ohio a few years back a lot of natural gas units no natural gas.

Diesel way to go if you are serious . I have a 40 KW Cummins Diesel that powers my home along with a 200 amp automatic transfer switch, power goes out and before you can count to 5 it is back on. a little pricey but in my opinion well worth it. Mine will run for 14+ days 24/7 before I need to switch fuel tanks. it starts every Sunday and runs under a load. I have installed a lot of generators in my career so be safe and choose wisely. I will post a few picture of my setup in a few



Diesel way to go if you are serious .


Great post, ...
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Re: Generators

PostBy: confedsailor On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:05 am

Hey Earnest,

I'm curious, Why did you go with a 40 KW unit? Was it a matter of you have that much load? Did you go oversize for reliability?

I'd like to get an Idea of the thought process you used, how you "engineered" your solution. I'm not criticizing or being a smart ass, I'm seriously interested.
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Re: Generators

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:12 am

POH stoves and candles. Too much cost and maintenance.

A very small 20kw unit needs at least a 1000 gal tank to run 24/7. and then most of them are not designed to run 24/7. And they will typically over heat and shut down, not the engine but the generator side of these units.


Yep that is correct. It's just not worth it. Big diesels are just too noisy and the average person will be shot dead by his neighbors. The real world...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lLi50HImPc

How many days do you think you can run that and stay alive.

3 base heaters ready to go and lots of beer. Always works, is always available and is totally silent. It's just not worth it. Sorry. 800MM btu in the bin and that will last me a while. My next move is a Glenwood #8 in the sub basement and electricity is then optional. If they wish to provide power then fine. If not, forget it.
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Re: Generators

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:02 pm

A very small 20kw unit needs at least a 1000 gal tank to run 24/7. and then most of them are not designed to run 24/7. And they will typically over heat and shut down, not the engine but the generator side of these un


I did not catch this before, who is telling you this, I run a 20kw diesel at 80% for days and sometimes weeks or even longer with no problem. Thats what there designed to do and they like it, the bigger the load the better.

And a 1000 gallon tank?
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Re: Generators

PostBy: Pauliewog On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:19 pm

grumpy wrote:
A very small 20kw unit needs at least a 1000 gal tank to run 24/7. and then most of them are not designed to run 24/7. And they will typically over heat and shut down, not the engine but the generator side of these un


I did not catch this before, who is telling you this, I run a 20kw diesel at 80% for days and sometimes weeks or even longer with no problem. Thats what there designed to do and they like it, the bigger the load the better.

And a 1000 gallon tank?

I think the reference was for a 20kw propane genset. Without a vaporizer the 1000 gallon tank makes sense to me in order to vaporize a free standing tank in cold temperatures and run for a sustained period of time.

I have a 10kw onan diesel as a backip.

Paulie
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Re: Generators

PostBy: grumpy On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:41 pm

Ok, I understand.
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Re: Generators

PostBy: Earnest1974 On: Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:29 pm

I went with the 40 KW because of Load and reliability and future expansion of the house, And trust me it is a very quiet unit as well
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