Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: maurizziot On: Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:03 pm

I take to leisure line today they said they getting pyroceram glass and is more money I though it's is a cheaper product than
Neoceram.

NeoCeram® can take the heat. Continuous temperatures up to 1292° F (700° C) and short term temperatures up to 1472° F (800° C) can be withstood because this ceramic has an extremely low thermal coefficient of expansion. It doesn't run or swell at high temperatures the way normal glass does.

NeoCeram® can handle change. You wouldn't dare put snow or water on hot glass for fear that it would shatter or crack. Unlike glass, NeoCeram® can handle it.

Available in 3/16 inch thickness (5 mm)
Transparent-amber tint

The Temperature Shock Resistance (TSR) of ceramic glass characterizes the ability of a panel to withstand the temperature shock in which cold water is poured onto a hot panel. As a result of the fact that the TSR of PyroCeram® is practically zero, the temperature shock caused by sudden cooling with cold water leads to only minor stresses. The shock resistance of PyroCeram® is therefore normally limited only by the maximum operation temperature: Short Term Usage: 760° C / 1,400° F. Long Term Usage: 680° C / 1, 256° F.
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:08 am

Strikes me that all glass on stoves are located where you could NEVER set anything cold/ liquid on it, it doesn't really matter & knowing people that have tried all kind of glass/ ceramic or not--they still get the spidering people notice & have been trying to find a fix for, forever. As for basic discoloration, normal cleaning with what ever you chose, seems to work just fine. ;)
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:59 pm

maurizziot wrote:I take to leisure line today they said they getting pyroceram glass and is more money I though it's is a cheaper product than
Neoceram.

NeoCeram® can take the heat. Continuous temperatures up to 1292° F (700° C) and short term temperatures up to 1472° F (800° C) can be withstood because this ceramic has an extremely low thermal coefficient of expansion. It doesn't run or swell at high temperatures the way normal glass does.

NeoCeram® can handle change. You wouldn't dare put snow or water on hot glass for fear that it would shatter or crack. Unlike glass, NeoCeram® can handle it.

Available in 3/16 inch thickness (5 mm)
Transparent-amber tint

The Temperature Shock Resistance (TSR) of ceramic glass characterizes the ability of a panel to withstand the temperature shock in which cold water is poured onto a hot panel. As a result of the fact that the TSR of PyroCeram® is practically zero, the temperature shock caused by sudden cooling with cold water leads to only minor stresses. The shock resistance of PyroCeram® is therefore normally limited only by the maximum operation temperature: Short Term Usage: 760° C / 1,400° F. Long Term Usage: 680° C / 1, 256° F.


We are getting the Pyro Ceram because it has been requested by some people and we would like to try them to see if it holds up any better. Also we want to have more than one supplier for a product. The price is higher because of qty purchased vs the neoceram. We are trying it so it will be purchased in a much smaller qty than normal.
Thanks, Dave
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: Matthaus On: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:01 pm

Neither of the mentioned products are traditional glass, as stated they are ceramic with some slightly different properties depending on the trade name. The etching that occurs from Anthracite fly ash eventually claims both products and causes crazing and eventual cracking. Always allow the glass to cool before applying any type of cleaning agent, always use a product meant for the ceramic such as ceramic stove top cleaner and steer clear of any common house hold glass cleaners that contain ammonia.
We do offer a piece of laser cut steel that perfectly replaces the glass for those that want to never have to replace it again, but alas that warming glow that reflects on the walls is missing when the glass is replaced with steel. :(
As Dave stated we are trying out the other product just to see if the buzz is correct, we will keep you posted as we get feedback.
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:48 am

Does anyone have any additional feedback on these two glass choices?

I'm looking for a glass that remains clear the longest with the greatest durability.
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:57 am

Aren't we all EWF :) It's pretty much just a crap shoot, don'tcha know
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:26 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:Does anyone have any additional feedback on these two glass choices?

I'm looking for a glass that remains clear the longest with the greatest durability.


I believe it has already been stated that these materials are not glass. Robax (which also is not glass) is another very good consideration.

http://www.us.schott.com/hometech/engli ... cts/robax/
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:51 pm

The glass on my stove was never cleaned. The stove has been in storage for two years. I just used my Dremel with a sanding disk which did a pretty good job at cleaning the glass of fly ash residue. I experimented with different bits and sanding disks around the perimeter of the window before trying to sand the rest.

I'm willing to try another type of glass or ceramic, which type is the best?

My other idea was buying a second door with glass and changing them out every week for a cleaning. This would allow the glass to cool before cleaning and the acid could be neutralized.
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:32 pm

Matthaus wrote:Always allow the glass to cool before applying any type of cleaning agent

I often wipe the hot not-really-glass with a damp paper towel (water only), when it is coated with ash. It sizzles and steams. Should I stop doing that -- is it going to shatter one of these times?
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:59 pm

EarthWindandFire wrote:My other idea was buying a second door with glass and changing them out every week for a cleaning. This would allow the glass to cool before cleaning and the acid could be neutralized.


It sounds like a good idea, but is like following the salt truck to work and saying you want to make sure you keep the truck looking like new. :mad:
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: Matthaus On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:27 pm

Best tip I have found yet is to use pure silicone such as Jigaloo to coat the glass inside and out from day one and clean every week with ceramic stove top cleaner and re-apply the Jigaloo. I have seen glass look like brand new for up to a couple years, but is lots of work!'

On the glass difference by brand name, we have feedback from customers saying the Pyroceramic is holding up better, not sure how wide spread that is but have not had anyone say it is worse.
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: 2001Sierra On: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:43 pm

God I only hope others have tried this. I will try anything but it always seems that my ideas with stove glass and inside have already been there done that and not worked :mad: As to keeping my 2001 Sierra rust free I have real proven experience, remember experience comes from bad judgement. :oops:
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: gerry_g On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:53 pm

Matthaus wrote:Neither of the mentioned products are traditional glass, as stated they are ceramic with some slightly different properties depending on the trade name. The etching that occurs from Anthracite fly ash eventually claims both products and causes crazing and eventual cracking. Always allow the glass to cool before applying any type of cleaning agent, always use a product meant for the ceramic such as ceramic stove top cleaner and steer clear of any common house hold glass cleaners that contain ammonia.
We do offer a piece of laser cut steel that perfectly replaces the glass for those that want to never have to replace it again, but alas that warming glow that reflects on the walls is missing when the glass is replaced with steel. :(
As Dave stated we are trying out the other product just to see if the buzz is correct, we will keep you posted as we get feedback.


Would a steel insert with a mica or other smaller/lower cost window make sense? One could check the fire with a much lower cost "window".
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: gerry_g On: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:57 pm

Matthaus wrote:Best tip I have found yet is to use pure silicone such as Jigaloo to coat the glass inside and out from day one and clean every week with ceramic stove top cleaner and re-apply the Jigaloo. I have seen glass look like brand new for up to a couple years, but is lots of work!'

On the glass difference by brand name, we have feedback from customers saying the Pyroceramic is holding up better, not sure how wide spread that is but have not had anyone say it is worse.



Which Jigaloo, which stove top cleaner? ?
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Re: Stove glass pyroceram vs neoceram what's better

PostBy: Matthaus On: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:40 am

Any stove top cleaner made for cleaning the ceramic top stoves will do. Here is the link for Jigaloo: http://www.jigaloo.com/us/e_products_jigaloo.php Although I would suspect any pure silicone spray from the auto parts store will work. :)
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