Felix 221 is coming

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:01 am

SteveZee wrote:I love how they called the baseheaters "American's" :D Very cool and a bit like up here in Maine where sub sandwiches or grinders as we called them are refered to as "Italian's" :P


At least there was a tiny little bit of honesty in that act of product piracy and they wouldn´t try to claim the glory of inventing the concept of base heaters ;)
I read somewhere that major German manufacturers like Buderus imported base heaters from the US in the 1870´s and would use them as a "reference" for their stoves...to be honest: German base heaters were the spitting image of the American reference and just the decoration would be slightly adapted to German taste.
And today WE are complaining about Chinese product piracy and infringements of our patents - funny how things change over the course of 140 years :angel:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:16 am

wsherrick wrote:That certainly is a beautiful stove. The design appears to be a lot like the Godin stoves of France.


That is true, only that these stoves circulate the exhaust in the smokebox before it goes up the chimney. The FELIX 141 is the smallest model out of 3 sizes, the medium size would have a second smokebox on top of what you can see here. The large model would also come with 2 smokeboxes and would be twice as wide with a real oven next to the firebox - like the BERTA I posted earlier. But I really wouldn´t know what to do with these monsters, they were designed to heat much more space than we have here... the large one was rated 15KW ~ 51K BTUs! :shock:

wsherrick wrote: The front to back burn path design idea will work fine for softer coal. You do need to get a long poker to knock the fire down from the top


I just thought about that.... either like you say or like this: the fire burns front to back, the front grate sits in hinges and moves inward - why not wiggle the horizontal grate with the help a poker while shaking the bottom grate, that should help to break up the ashes :idea:
and will most likely result in a mess with all the ashes flying out of the open door. Oh well, I better get this thing hooked up & start the trial and error phase of the project as soon as possible!
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: SteveZee On: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:11 am

That is how it usually works out Firebug. After a little trial you'll figure it all out. :D
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Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: nortcan On: Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:16 pm

Very good infos Firebug. And the best way to learn your stove is your personnal experience with it. The same stove in 2 different houses can react differently, so you'r the boss :D
Do you have a chimney already installed or you need to install one?
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Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:57 am

nortcan wrote:Very good infos Firebug. And the best way to learn your stove is your personnal experience with it. The same stove in 2 different houses can react differently, so you'r the boss :D
Do you have a chimney already installed or you need to install one?


We´re living in a old house, so we have masonary chimneys in every room. The house was actually only converted to gas in the early 1990´s. Especially the chimney in the kitchen is HUGE, it was designed to take the exhaust of 8 (!) kitchen stoves (there are 2 apartments on each floor)
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:55 am

The certificate is here, I am pleasantly surprised (considering it´s "only" a direct draft stove)
- And almost feeling like a proud father :partyhat:

thermal efficiency: 82,3% (required minimum is 73%)

emissions:
CO: 1125mg/m³ (i.e. 0.09%Vol., must not be higher that 2500mg/m³ )
particulate emission: 31mg/m³ (must not be higher than 75mg/m³)

Thermal efficiency, content of CO and particulate matter are the only relevant stats that need to be measured for single room heating appliances.
Not too bad if we keep in mind that the requirements represent the standards of 2010 and the stove was built 96years prior to that... 8-)
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: franco b On: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:15 am

With a stove that is fully fire brick lined thermal efficiency would have to be high once up to heat.

Did they say what fuel was used?
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Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: SteveZee On: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:08 pm

That's very good numbers for that stove. Well done "Dad"! ;)
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Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:03 pm

franco b wrote:Did they say what fuel was used?


apparently wood and sub-bit briquettes, but the chart doesn´t specify quantities.... just states that
the stove has been tested according to the regulations with these two fuels and that the average value has been extrapolated
in accordance with the clean air act of 2010.... :gee:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:28 pm

look what I came across at the local gardening centre today: round about 25tons of coal nicely stacked on pallets, each pallet 1 metric ton.
unreasonably pricey, but people seem to be buying the stuff - there were at least 10 empty pallets next to the pile...

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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:44 pm

What does a metric ton go for price wise in Euro's?
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Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:57 pm

the better offers start at €245 ($317) - if you buy at least 45 bundles (a bundle contains 49 bricks & weighs 50lbs) .... there they charged €5.39 per bundle and no discount! :down:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: firebug On: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:06 pm

Blimey! Can´t believe how wrong my maths were this afternoon!
actually their offer was a good one - 5.33x40 = €213,20 per 2.000lbs.... ooops :bang: :mad3:
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Baseburners & Antiques: Felix 141 by Ludwigshütte, Germany (1914)
Coal Size/Type: Lignite Briquettes, Anthracite
Other Heating: natural gas hydronic heating

Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: wsherrick On: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:16 pm

firebug wrote:Blimey! Can´t believe how wrong my maths were this afternoon!
actually their offer was a good one - 5.33x40 = €213,20 per 2.000lbs.... ooops :bang: :mad3:


Well, you better get back there and buy some of that stuff.
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Re: Felix 221 is coming

PostBy: ramblerboy2 On: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:31 pm

Beautiful stove! I also lugged a stove up to my apartment (in my case, only second floor). It still sits unused while I save money to have my chimney rebuilt (prior owner had it taken down and capped instead of maintaining it). Enjoy your stove!
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