Vigilant 2310

Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:17 pm

Anybody know the modifacation to a vigilant 2310 coal stove so it can burn anthracite. My local dealers have no idea and the distributor won't discuss what he described as, "a simple modification any homeowner can do." The 28 page install, use and maintenance manual states that a modification must be made if you burn anthracite.

I recently bought the house and the stove is in the basement. I've tried anthracite and it won't keep a good burn overnight with the air inlet fully open and the damper open or closed.

My guess is that the modification has something to do with letting more air in.?

Any guesses or definate answers??

TIA
stuckinct
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Vigilant 2310

Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: Dallas On: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:26 pm

http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/99069/

"Vigilant II coal stove model 2310 - # 2069
Question:

Recently I purchased the stove listed as the subject matter from The Firebox in Mays Landing, NJ. Since my stove has been installed, the anthracite coal will not burn. I am able to start a wood fire and add the coal which will burn for a minimal amount of time, but it seems to diminish any base fire that I start. As a prior owner of a woodburning stove, I am capable of starting a substantial fire and have followed all of the directions from both the manual and my dealer that I have been given. The purpose of this e mail is to inquire if there is an additional air intake or blower system that I am able to purchase. I would appreciate any response, for my house has been very cold all winter. I did not expect to have these problems when I purchased the stove; I thought I was making a better investment with this one as opposed to a wood burning stove. Please forward me any information that you have that would help my coal stove operate properly.

Answer:

The Vig. Coal 2310 model has a “restrictor plate” underneath the grate area, lower left and to the back. It is held in place with one or two screws. It’s purpose is to limit the amount of combustion air when burning sub-bituminous Class B coal, but it must be removed before burning anthracite.

If the plate has been removed, then the next step is to review how you are starting and tending your fire. Also, another factor is your draft. A very strong draft which allows for excellent wood burning capabilities can be a detriment for burning coal as it pulls air through the combustion zone too quickly so the fuel does not get what it needs to burn properly. Solution: a barometric damper. And, sometimes the draft pulling primary air on that stove can actually bypass the coal bed and go directly to through the secondary chamber, but I don’t feel that’s occurring here. You may want to have the draft tested by a professional.

Just remember that coal burning is a real art. Once it’s “nailed” down you’ll enjoy long burn times, and you do have a good coal burning stove. You may wish to review some of the articles on coal burning for added tips: http://www.hearth.com/what/coaltips.html

And lastly, you may need your dealer to go on site to see what’s happening. I’ve run into problems such as this before and a quick trip to the home usually resolved it in a short time.

"
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:34 pm

Awsome,

Thanks for the quick reply, I'll check it tonight and post my findings.

If this works you have relieved a ton of aggrevation.
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:36 pm

My local dealer just faxed me the instructions to remove the plate.

While I was waiting for the fax I cleaned the stove out with a shop-vac. The plate has already been removed. I was able to vacum out the air inlet after removing the grates and there was some ash and small coal particles in the intake. It wasn't blocked very much but, knowing now that the restrictor plate was already removed, I'm hoping that this was the problem.

If the intake wasn't the problem any other sugestions?
stuckinct
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Vigilant 2310

Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:19 am

Just make sure that when you add coal, you add plenty of it.. in a coal fire, ALL the air going through the firebox must go through the coal bed. a thin layer of coal is not good, and any gaps in the coal bed on the sides or corners will allow the air to bypass the coal, no air=no coal fire. Close all air vents that allow air in above the fire, these work for wood, not for coal.

Let us know how it goes.

Greg L
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:38 pm

I'm about ready to through in the towel.
After a through cleaning yesterday afternoon I had the stove to about 700 by 10:30 last night. At that time I topped it off (1" below front grill/gate like manual says) and watched the new coal catch. After new coal was lit I closed the damper and set the air intake to 1/2 open instead of full open like it had been earlier. I set my alarm for 3:30 am just so I could check it and not lose my fire.
At 3:30 the surface temp was 400 and the burn had been reduced as was expected. I shaked the grates with the shaker handle to get out some ash (not much came out in my 4-5 short strokes), opened the damper for a minute to evacuate any unburnt gasses, then opened the doors and added a little more coal to top it off. I opened the air intake to full open and let the new coal catch, closed the damper again, set the air intake to 1/2. When I left it at 4:00am I had a good burn and a surface temp of about 450-500.
At 6:30am I opened the door to the basement and instantly knew the fire was out. Sure enough, no fire, no red coals, no reading on the surface temp gauge. Unit was a little warm. Yet the unit is still about 3/4 full. Air intake was still in the position I left it so the fire was getting air.
The coal I have is from "Reading" and is "nut" size. I was under the impression that after the coal was spent that it left little ash. So the coal on top of the fire would work down into the "hot spot" and be reduced to a little ash. Yet, like I stated, my unit is still about 3/4 full what looks like ashy coal.
Sorry so long, but wanted to get the details to those in the know.
Thanks to eveyone who has helped and will help this coal rookie get his stove going.
I'm pretty handy around the house and thought this would be a little work to get going, but maybe I'm just not a coal guy?
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:05 pm

Hey stuckinct Why are you closing the damper all the way what is happening is you are shutting of the draft that you need to go up the chimney you need the damper open a little so you have draft when you close it you are cutting the air off and you are dampening your fire out also when you reload the stove keep the ash door open until the fire stokes up then shake the ash down wait for the fire to pick up then load it with new coal wait until the blue flames come up threw the new coal and wait until you see red ambers threw the new coal then shut ash door and adjust you air vents in the ash door do not shut your damper all the way shut because once the air is burned up inside the stove your fire will die you need to keep the air flowing from the ash door vents up threw the coal bed and out the chimney if you shut the air off at the damper then there is no air flow no air no fire try it out don't give up :)
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:55 pm

The damper in the unit can only be open or closed there is no half-way.

When the damper is closed there are ports at the top on the sides that vent to the flue (by passing the damper) to allow air to still flow through the unit. This allows you to retain the heat in the unit and slow the burn (at least thats what the manual says). When the damper is shut you can still hear the air being taken into the unit through the intake in the back. You can also watch effect of changing the position of the air intake door on the burn when the damper is closed.

I am letting the new coal catch like you described. Thanks for the reply.

Any other suggestions?
stuckinct
 
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:18 am

It sounds like the Reading coal is the same Reading coal I had last season, VERY high ash content. You may need to keep the air vent open more than the 1/2 setting and burn the coal hotter to get the most out of it.. The Reading coal I had last year would do the same thing you are describing, burn to a hard chunky ash, looked like the pieces of coal were spray painted white, often they were still black inside.. If I burned it hotter it did better, and more of the coal burnt all the way through..

So.. try a hotter fire. Maybe a 3/4 open vent and watch it to make sure it isn't too hot.

Greg L.
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:40 am

Ok Stuckinct did not know it was a vented damper I thought it was a solid damper some stoves have them to slow and dampened the fire out but even know it is vented you still might not be getting enough air passing threw it I would try burning it open for a short time and see what the stove does but watch The Temps on the pipe & stove And also what Greg said about the coal If it is not good Quality Coal You my need more air To make it burn hotter Open the air vents a little more and see what happends good luck :)
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:19 am

I sounds like the coal is not the best quality, I've had issues with coal like that as well. As others have suggested, you need to burn the fire hotter (more air into the stove) to compensate. Also this type of coal will produce substantially more ash and clinkers then the good stuff.
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:52 pm

The Reading coal I bought was in #50 bags. Luckily I only bought 3 bags to check it's quality and my ability to get the stove going. I have an F550 dump so I have the ability to buy in bulk, but I am wondering if the bulk coal they have is also by Reading. I'll have to check it out.

I ran the door wide open for a couple of hours and the temp guage topped out at 750. The manual said not to burn that hot for extended periods of time (not that I always follow manuals anyway). I'm a little uncomfortable leaving the air intake 3/4 to full open to let the stove get that hot while we sleep.

I have done a good bit of studying on building coal fires and regulating the burns. I located information on the net, neighbors and friends, a couple of brochures at local stove retailers and the place I bought the coal from. This board has also been a huge source of info, thanks to all for that. Knowing what I know and talking to you all, I think I might have some bad coal.

I think I will try to locate another coal distributor around my area and see if they carry anything other than Reading. Anybody know of a good coal distributor around NE Conn.
TIA
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: Townsend On: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:43 pm

Hi Stuckinct,

I live in East Hampton and I've been going to New Britain for my coal. The dealer is called Household Coal and Oil, 24 Dwight Court, New Britain. I can find a phone number if need be. I have had good luck with his coal. It is from the Jeddo mine in Penn. Speak to Al, he's very helpful. I bought two tons of nut recently and it burns well.

Good Luck.
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: EasyRay On: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:45 am

Here is another one that is only fifteen or twenty minutes more, in Bristol but it is in bags only. They do not have any loose coal. I use it and it is only about seven minutes from my house.
http://www.btpellet.com/
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Re: Vigilant 2310

PostBy: stuckinct On: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:09 pm

Thanks for the info. I take it that they are anthracite distributors?

I think I'll take a drive to New Britain and get a couple of bags to test out before driving the 550 to pick up a load.

Is the bulk coal the same brand/quality as the bagged stuff? Or should I get 200lbs. of bulk material loaded in my pick-up to make sure it will work?

Thanks again to everyone. I'll keep you posted.

P.S. Before the fire went out the other day, I stepped out of bed onto the hardwood floor and for the first time it was warm. I think the feeling of the warm floor has given me a little more modivation to get the stove going. That and the $400 a month electric bill during the winter season.
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