Are we there yet?

Here we have proof that Americans love to argue For once I'm not the only one Hell, I only resent Jpete 1/2 the time

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samhill wrote:just look at what the Pavarotti's are getting away with.

HAHAHAHA those damn Pavarotti's!!!

The paparazzi are even worse but who didn't want to see Kate Middleton's ta ta's hahhahahah

I'd much rather look at her ta ta's than at Za Za's. Read the Patriot Act Jpete & see what all they can do but this has nothing to do with anything but loading an App on your phone & you have the right not to or even carry one for that matter. Your sounding like someone that has a lot to hide.

samhill wrote:I'd much rather look at her ta ta's than at Za Za's. Read the Patriot Act Jpete & see what all they can do but this has nothing to do with anything but loading an App on your phone & you have the right not to or even carry one for that matter. Your sounding like someone that has a lot to hide.

The PATRIOT Act is unconstitutional and therefore is null and void.

Not that any of you defenders of the Constitution can be counted on for that....

freetown fred wrote:Thank God the banks aren't in bed w/ the Feds--I was never clear on what FDIC meant And in answer to that second statement--because there's always been know it alls in the world, the unteachable as it were.

jpete wrote:

freetown fred wrote:So if I were to miss a payment on my vehicle & they came & repossesed it--would my defense be supported by the 4A ?

I don't know. Did you take a loan with a bank or the Federal government?

I can't imagine how we got so f*cked up with you guys defending our rights.

Well thank god you cleared that up for me.

You realize you've just destroyed the country correct? Or at least confirmed it's already destroyed.

If you think your car isn't covered by the 4A because the government has a hand in banks, then what IS covered?

Not your house. Even if you've paid your mortgage, you still have homeowners insurance, which is subject to government regulations.

And if you don't like that angle, try not paying your property tax and find out how quick the government takes what is theirs. Their house, so you have no rights in it.

Good job Fred. You've single handedly done what the Nazis and the Soviets could never accomplish.

As someone else pointed out anyone is always free to leave, if I were so discusted with the country & paranoid about every move I make & every breath I take I would have been long gone & then you would find out what you left was the best that's ever been & made that way thanks to real Patriots.
Check close there Dann, I left one for ya.

See that, and I didn't even break a sweat--Why would I not pay my property taxes--they cover a lot of services that are needed--they're local ya know. Same with school taxes, yeah, thier high, but I have to thank the union for that. Things are holding thier own here in Freetown--people work hard & we do the best we can.
I can't imagine how we got so f*cked up with you guys defending our rights.[/quote][/quote]

Well thank god you cleared that up for me.

You realize you've just destroyed the country correct? Or at least confirmed it's already destroyed.

If you think your car isn't covered by the 4A because the government has a hand in banks, then what IS covered?

Not your house. Even if you've paid your mortgage, you still have homeowners insurance, which is subject to government regulations.

And if you don't like that angle, try not paying your property tax and find out how quick the government takes what is theirs. Their house, so you have no rights in it.

Good job Fred. You've single handedly done what the Nazis and the Soviets could never accomplish.[/quote]

samhill wrote:As someone else pointed out anyone is always free to leave, if I were so discusted with the country & paranoid about every move I make & every breath I take I would have been long gone & then you would find out what you left was the best that's ever been & made that way thanks to real Patriots.
Check close there Dann, I left one for ya.

What did you leave me? A Pavarotti? A paparazzi? What's the difference, no need to be precise you're always right no matter what that's all that counts.

But you'll never leave with Obama in charge right? How would you know for sure when it's paranoia or imminent doom? What are you sayin, you can't get caught off guard?

Clinton: lowered capital gains tax: fed tax revenues increased.
Bush: lowered capital gains tax: fed tax revenues highest ever
Obama : wants to jack up capital gains tax to redistribute, give away, pay off. Wreck the economy further in pursuit of socialism. Brilliant.

So you can't even tell when a President is bad for the country, but you'll know exactly when to high tail it.

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There must be a middle ground here. Something realistic. Jpete seems to be a constitutional absolutist; great idea; but what is the trend that is actually going on. How can you take the ideals of the constitution and apply them as an individual so as to preserve one's rights? I ain't even arguing here, I don't know what the hell to do.
There have been cameras on the traffic lights of the next town over for a couple years at least. I do not cotton to sitting at a light and looking at the lens of a camera on the pole. What the hell am I gonna do about it? Traffic light cameras are controversial in a lot of places. Sometimes it's a sub hired to implement the technology. They can rake in revenue by the millions.
When I go to the lumber yard in that town, I know where the speed traps are, and adhere to perfect driving. I can tolerate the imposition by compliance. I'm just trying to make a living. If I obsess about it I'll still have to make a living.

samhill wrote:As someone else pointed out anyone is always free to leave, if I were so discusted with the country & paranoid about every move I make & every breath I take I would have been long gone & then you would find out what you left was the best that's ever been & made that way thanks to real Patriots.
Check close there Dann, I left one for ya.

Real patriots would be shooting by now.

What marvelous advise. If Washington and Adams had taken it, you'd be British today.

Dann, that's what we all do, try to make a living things change some for the better & some not but most of us can accept & go on with our lives as best we can. The glass is at least half full & tomorrow hopefully will be better, one can only change what is in their power to do so don't sweat that which you have no control. I must be slipping, sorry I'll try harder the next tyme.

I find it odd how some who have never served in any capacity have the answer to shoot or bomb the crap out of everything but when it comes right down to it would not even want to begin to pay for any of it & then criticize those that have paid for what they now consider their right.

samhill wrote:I find it odd how some who have never served in any capacity have the answer to shoot or bomb the crap out of everything but when it comes right down to it would not even want to begin to pay for any of it & then criticize those that have paid for what they now consider their right.

Where did I say anything of the sort?

You're the one that doesn't think your possessions are covered by the 4A.

You and Fred keep talking and neither of you have answered one question.

Sad.

Speaking of sad--no matter where ya go, there ya are

Jpete, did you or did you not say a real Patriot would be shooting by now?

That's the problem with just rambling, we forget what the hell we said & then just claim--THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT. PS--who would they be shooting? Just curious.

samhill wrote:Dann, that's what we all do, try to make a living things change some for the better & some not but most of us can accept & go on with our lives as best we can. The glass is at least half full & tomorrow hopefully will be better, one can only change what is in their power to do so don't sweat that which you have no control. I must be slipping, sorry I'll try harder the next tyme.

Sam that's totally fair, never mean to discount or disrespect your service to our country. We just can't figure out why you're so left wing

I am still trying to learn not to try and control things that I can't control, right down to micro managing things that don't concern me.

With Obama, he thinks the glass is HIS to CONTROL. Hard working Americans dug the wells, invented the pump, mined the coal to power the generators that they invented, to bring the water to them. That's how WE fill a glass. Obama's entire ideology is to spend other people's money, oppose success and vilify it. Hopefully the American people will come out in droves in a few short weeks and fire the narcissistic fool.

We cannot and will not accept his botched attempt to lead the country.