DEBATE

Re: DEBATE

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:41 pm

Of course regulations are needed. I think you missed the point romney was trying to make, that republicans are not averse to regulations that foster a free market, unlike Obama./
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:50 pm

franco b wrote:Of course regulations are needed. I think you missed the point romney was trying to make, that republicans are not averse to regulations that foster a free market, unlike Obama./


Neither am I. The Constitution founded the worlds greatest free market. Regulations (left, right, or otherwise) and a phony monetary system subsequently destroyed it.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:58 pm

franco b wrote:Of course regulations are needed. I think you missed the point romney was trying to make, that republicans are not averse to regulations that foster a free market, unlike Obama./


How does one regulate a "free" market?

As soon as government puts its thumb on the scale, it's no longer a free market.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:01 pm

freetown fred wrote:Ya know, when I started this topic, I wondered how long it would take to get OFF topic. :D I have got to say that I'm pretty happy that I am apparently as ignorant in the ways of the world as I am. If I were to take half this nonsense to heart, I think I'd just go up in the upper pasture & shoot myself. It strikes me that positive planning & faith have totally gone out the window. BUT, alas, (cool word) there is still a core of this population that still understands the concept. We and future generations are going to be fine. It's just the way it is & all this speculation is nothing more then BALDERDASH (another cool word) We are & always have been a Country of survivors, not quitters. ;) Yep, Romney/ Ryan have the balls to get us back in the RIGHT direction


“You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality” ~ Ayn Rand


I'm not sure who said anything about "quitting", but it does seem silly to continue to play a rigged game.

How will Mitt move us in the right direction as he is borrowing money from those evil currency manipulators?
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:17 pm

The only regulations required of a free market are those that a court system applying properly blind justice based squarely upon objective law provide. When someone is wronged, honest courts are required to heel the wrong and bring justice. The Constitution provided for such justice. That is where the playing field is leveled. Not by Congressional mandates or Executive Orders or redistribution of the wealth.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:41 pm

Of course you've got to understand, as I'm sure Ayn did, that one mans reality is anothers la-la land. Ashame she's not here to comment on that. :(
jpete wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Ya know, when I started this topic, I wondered how long it would take to get OFF topic. :D I have got to say that I'm pretty happy that I am apparently as ignorant in the ways of the world as I am. If I were to take half this nonsense to heart, I think I'd just go up in the upper pasture & shoot myself. It strikes me that positive planning & faith have totally gone out the window. BUT, alas, (cool word) there is still a core of this population that still understands the concept. We and future generations are going to be fine. It's just the way it is & all this speculation is nothing more then BALDERDASH (another cool word) We are & always have been a Country of survivors, not quitters. ;) Yep, Romney/ Ryan have the balls to get us back in the RIGHT direction


“You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality” ~ Ayn Rand


I'm not sure who said anything about "quitting", but it does seem silly to continue to play a rigged game.

How will Mitt move us in the right direction as he is borrowing money from those evil currency manipulators?
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:44 pm

lsayre wrote: Nowhere does he mention that we have a Constitution and that we should return to paying attention to it.


Sorry, but that's remiss. He mentioned it behind him, and he mentioned that Obasma has swept the 14th aside.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:32 pm

jpete wrote:
franco b wrote:Of course regulations are needed. I think you missed the point romney was trying to make, that republicans are not averse to regulations that foster a free market, unlike Obama./


How does one regulate a "free" market?

As soon as government puts its thumb on the scale, it's no longer a free market.

Prevention of monopoly for one. Surely you believe banks need to be regulated and also stock markets. How about doctors and lawyers? Financial planners. Weights and measures.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:35 pm

Dann757 wrote:
lsayre wrote: Nowhere does he mention that we have a Constitution and that we should return to paying attention to it.


Sorry, but that's remiss. He mentioned it behind him, and he mentioned that Obasma has swept the 14th aside.


He mentioned The Declaration and bill of Rights in the first question.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:00 pm

Empty words. Or at best very shallow ones. I can't imagine any establishment chosen Republican or Democrat using mention of the Constitution or the Declaration for more than deceitful lip service.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:04 pm

To many experts floatin around anymore :(
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:22 pm

To many experts floatin around anymore :(


Some things never change. :)

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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:29 pm

For example, if Romney wasn't paying more than mere lip service to the Constitution, he would read the part about only gold and silver being legal tender, and he would immediately see the fraud and deception that are inherent in the Federal Reserve System and its backed by nothing FRN's.

Then as he perused the Bill Of Rights he would likewise see the fraud and deception in the TSA, Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, etc... and he woudl be against these, but he is for them.

Alas, he is only paying lip service.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:56 pm

franco b wrote:
jpete wrote:
franco b wrote:Of course regulations are needed. I think you missed the point romney was trying to make, that republicans are not averse to regulations that foster a free market, unlike Obama./


How does one regulate a "free" market?

As soon as government puts its thumb on the scale, it's no longer a free market.

Prevention of monopoly for one. Surely you believe banks need to be regulated and also stock markets. How about doctors and lawyers? Financial planners. Weights and measures.


Go up a few posts and read Larry's post right after mine. I won't repeat what he has already said better than I usually can. :)

As to monopoly, what's wrong with that if they are giving you the product you want at the price you want to pay?

The reason monopoly gets a bad name is because it usually devolves to fascism where the business owner buys the government to put up barriers to entry for other people.

So it is again bad government that is the problem putting its thumb on the scale of the "free market".

In a truly free market, anyone could go into business and if they can do a better/cheaper job than you, then they will succeed and you will fail.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:00 pm

I've seen what BO has done over the past 4 years, talk about if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit, and I think we owe someone else the opportunity to do something different with, for example, all the things listed above. Understand--I'm not a mind reader, I just feel that MR is more focused & interested in where this Country is going.
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