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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:01 pm

Can you have a free market if all you have is a monopoly?
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: grumpy On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:07 pm

Off Topic but I was just thinking since he has so much money I think he should do the job for free..
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:15 pm

Off Topic but I was just thinking since he has so much money I think he should do the job for free.. So should Obummer then, he is not poor.

Can you have a free market if all you have is a monopoly? And the government is the biggest monopoly of all.

Sorry, I quoted those and messed it up somehow. :oops:
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:23 pm

KLook wrote:Can you have a free market if all you have is a monopoly? And the government is the biggest monopoly of all.

Government created monopoly is the cause of the current mess, and also in education.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:30 pm

KLook wrote:Off Topic but I was just thinking since he has so much money I think he should do the job for free.

Romney took no paycheck when Governor of Massachusetts and donated the money from the 3 years of Olympic service to charity. I doubt very much if he'll take a check for being POTUS.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:40 pm

samhill wrote:Can you have a free market if all you have is a monopoly?


Of course.

As long as no force or fraud is employed to keep the monopoly.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:17 pm

samhill wrote:Can you have a free market if all you have is a monopoly?


I don't believe there ever was a "coercive" free market monopoly in the USA. Alcoa Aluminum came the closest to achieving a 100% free market monopoly, and when it was broken up post WWII (with a big thank you to the government for paying them back so kindly for their totally dedicated war service) it was done by raising the price of aluminum a bunch and then putting a mandated minimum price upon it so the spin off start up companies that arose from the ashes of the original Alcoa could hopefully make a go of it. The bottom line is that it was detrimental to all of us for the government to break up the one and only free market monopoly. It was beneficial, and not coercive.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:34 pm

How about Standard Oil and ATT?

Without competition efficiency suffers just as in government.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:39 pm

Not too go off topic but this talk about Alcoa made me look them up since I have a few decorative aluminum platters from Kensington Aluminum before they changed the name so that puts them a lot older than I thought. I wonder that if not busted up if they would have stayed a lets call it friendly monopoly or if they would have gone aggressive? They never really intended to be a monopoly but became so from excellent management & simply becoming so much more efficient that others couldn't compete. That was back in the day that companies would reinvest & modernize & from what I was told treated their employees better than most in those days.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:53 pm

franco b wrote:How about Standard Oil and ATT?

Without competition efficiency suffers just as in government.


Standard Oil was never considered a 100% monopoly, and ATT was a government supported and enforced (not a free market) monopoly. Standard Oil would be another example of non-coerciveness. They were doing a great service to all of us and charging mere peanuts for their products. In the free market where the law maintains justice that is the only way to remain a monopoly. If a monopoly is sustained in any way shape of form by government involvement at any level, it is not (by definition) a free market monopoly. And if a free market monopoly was to gouge, then (again in a free society of properly applied law and justice) myriads of start-up companies would be able to under-price it and soon its monopoly would be no more. It is only when the government and its justice system are corrupt and debased that marketeers can approach the level of a monopoly while at the same time not offering the lowest cost service and prices.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: Ed.A On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:32 pm

To get back on Topic....

Will Obambie do better next Debate?

Had this discussion with a friend who thinks BO is too arrogant and full of himself to allow another debacle like the last one. My point was regardless of the "Altitude" being prepared is only as good as your personal constitution.

Did you you see Barry the next day? Gettin his groove on, dropping his G's gettin all ghetto like again, beating up on Mitt like he does to the Wookie?

Yeah, like the British newspapers published " His 2 Teleprompters" were back in action...

Bring on round 2.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:38 pm

If he tanks the next debate, then we can be sure he's checked out and just doesn't want the job anymore.

I somehow don't think that's the case but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:35 am

:shock:

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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:44 am

Oh, I'm sorry. Was that off topic and biased? Here's something to balance it out :D

Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:


1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura.
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2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her,
including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.

3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
4. Can't speak in a fake, southern, "black preacher voice" when necessary.
5. Highly intelligent. Graduated *censored* laude from both Harvard Law School and
Harvard Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
6. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter
-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today's America ?

7. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church,
didn't screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
8. Has a family of five great sons....and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab.
But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America 's scorn.
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teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.
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I guess that's because he made that money HIMSELF.....as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad.

Apparently, he didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money
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*****************************************************
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His full Name is: Willard Mitt Romney
He was Born: March 12, 1947 and is 65 years old.
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He was raised in Bloomfield Hills , Michigan
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Education:
B. A. from Brigham Young University , J. D. and M.B.A. from Harvard University

Religion:
Mormon - The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints

Working Background:
After high school, he spent 30 months in France as a Mormon missionary.
After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously,
he passed the Michigan bar exam, but never worked as an attorney.
In 1984, he co-founded Bain Capital a private equity investment firm,
one of the largest such firms in the United States .

In 1994, he ran for Senator of Massachusetts and lost to Ted Kennedy.

He was President and CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympic Games.

In 2002, he was elected Governor of the State of Massachusetts where he eliminated a 1.5 billion deficit.
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Bain Capital, starting with one small office supply store in Massachusetts,
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with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King,
Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply and many others.

He was an unpaid volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

He was an unpaid intern in his dad's governor's office for eight years.

He was an unpaid bishop and state president of his church for ten years.

He was an unpaid President of the Salt Lake Olympic Committee for three years.

He took no salary and was the unpaid Governor of Massachusetts for four years.
He gave his entire inheritance from his father to charity.

Mitt Romney is one of the wealthiest self-made men in our country but has given more
back to its citizens in terms of money, service and time than most men.

And in 2011 Mitt Romney gave over $4 million to charity, almost 19% of his income....

Just for comparison purposes, Obama gave 1% and Joe Biden gave $300 or .0013%.
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He will show us his high school and college transcripts.

He will show us his social security card.

He will show us his law degree.

He will show us his draft notice.

He will show us his medical records.

Mitt Romney's background, experience and trustworthiness show him to be
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You may think that Romney may not be the best representative the Republicans
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bow down to foreign powers, or practice fiscal irresponsibility.
I know he has the ability to turn around this financial debacle that the current regime has gotten
us into. We won't like all the things necessary to recover from this debt,
but someone with Romney's background can do it.
But, on the minus side, he never was a "Community Organizer",
never took drugs or smoked pot, never got drunk,
did not associate with communists or terrorists,
nor did he attend a church whose pastor called for God to damn the US .
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Re: DEBATE

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:45 am

You see what happens when they don't listen to my idea of being constipated, when you are spewing c rap, bowel function is important. Now it's more silly things - Mitt cheated with a hankerchief, Denver is at too high an altitude, the empty chair needs his teleprompter etc.etc. Next debate have the excuses ready, gotta be a different time next one like diarrhea. Have a cook that voted repub in the kitchen Obummer eats at the night before and then say he was poisoned and it's all Bushes fault.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/0 ... the-debate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA -stop it - i will break a rib.
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