Blatant LIES from Obama about Benghazi warrant many ?'s

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PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat May 11, 2013 9:46 am

Yeah our society is definitely ill. All you need to do is take a look at that Jody something-or-other trial down in AZ - people were flying in from all over the country, and BUYING TICKETS & WAITING IN LINE to sit in the courtroom! :shock: :wtf: Like it's a friggin' soap opera. Hello people! Reality check!!! :bang:

I agree with your first statement too Rwalker - my feelings exactly.
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Re: Blatant LIES from Obama about Benghazi warrant many ?'s

PostBy: samhill On: Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 am

I hate to say it but four seals wouldn't have made any difference even if they could have gotten there while it was going on. Does everybody think that every part of the world can be gotten to by fully ready & armed troops, if someone pushed the button on a missile it wouldn't have been they in time to hit anyone but civilians I'm sorry but that's the sad truth every action takes time. http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/f ... oli,+Libya & that would be longer by chopper even if they were sitting there waiting in a completely fueled, armed & running chopper.
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat May 11, 2013 11:49 am

samhill wrote:I hate to say it but four seals wouldn't have made any difference even if they could have gotten there while it was going on. Does everybody think that every part of the world can be gotten to by fully ready & armed troops, if someone pushed the button on a missile it wouldn't have been they in time to hit anyone but civilians I'm sorry but that's the sad truth every action takes time. http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/f ... oli,+Libya & that would be longer by chopper even if they were sitting there waiting in a completely fueled, armed & running chopper.



How did they know at the time that either they would have or not have the time to get there? The problem and the part that I think pisses most people off is they did not even try! They let 4 people die with no help on the way. Then they keep trying to cover it up. BS! :mad:
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PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat May 11, 2013 11:54 am

Samhill, since you are an expert on the military, why don't you enlighten us on just how many Navy Seals it would have taken? I mean, since we were all there and we all know the exact numbers, weapons, skill, etc. AND we all know the weapons, skill, etc. of the men ready and willing to go, please, by all means, ENLIGHTEN us.

I don't give a *censored* if it was 1 motivated SEAL. If a highly trained, highly skilled, highly motivated band of brothers WANTED to go into the battle...geared up and loaded up and were willing to lay down their very own lives to save fellow Americans, they should have been allowed to go. They WANTED to go. That is what they do. That is what they eat, sleep, and breathe. Someone in the higher ranks, a rank GIVEN to them and not earned, made them stand down. We will never know what they could have done. We will never know if they could have saved them. We will never know. And why? Because someone, somewhere, was too busy trying to sweep things under the rug. Could they have made it in time to help? Again, we will never know. But there is something I DO know: I would feel much better about this had we sent our men to fight and got there too late then to not send them at all.

Anyone who made the call should be sick to their stomachs right now. Anyone who can go to sleep at night knowing they told a group of high trained and willing United States Soldiers to stand down while Americans were killed needs to take a long look in the mirror. ANYONE who supports that decision needs to do the same.

And the message we have sent the rest of the world is LOUD and CLEAR: we as a nation are not capable of fending off terrorist attacks against our own embassy's across the world. And, we will cover up anything that stands in the way of a socialist dictator. Believe that there are a lot of terrorist cells licking their chops right now...
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Re: Blatant LIES from Obama about Benghazi warrant many ?'s

PostBy: samhill On: Sat May 11, 2013 4:09 pm

Rwalker, I would think that maybe they knew how long it would take to get there by experience, the same way you think at that time there was not going to be an attack on say Tripoli or any other place at that given time. Hindsight is always 20/20 but military has to go on what is known at that time & at that time they knew very little, let those men take off & in 45 minutes attack Tripoli then you have no troops in either position, sounds like a solid play to me. Just how many militants attacked that night, how many of them were killed, how many of the men paid to protect them were killed, how many cut & run, how many joined in with the attackers? Lots of questions very little answers, as I said to me we shouldn't have been there from the get go until the country was stable, there should be no Americans there without the understanding that they will not be protected. I guess you feel that any group of military should feel free to go where they want whenever they want, you think Benghazi was attacked with slingshots & bean shooters? How many brave men & women have we lost in the last two unnecessary wars?
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PostBy: franco b On: Sat May 11, 2013 4:29 pm

There had been CIA warnings at least for a day before. Plenty of time to beef up security.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat May 11, 2013 4:42 pm

OK Franco, from where? Just where do you think all these extra stashes of men & equipment are kept hanging around in that part of the world & what are they doing if not allowed to free lance fight where ever & when ever they feel they should be or are they sitting in a smoke filled hotel room somewhere playing poker while waiting for orders?
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PostBy: franco b On: Sat May 11, 2013 5:03 pm

How many warships do we have in the Mediterranean? I think there are a few Marines on board.

During Reagan's time it was claimed to be able to land a full division anywhere in 24 hours time. I also think his response would have been different.
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Re: Blatant LIES from Obama about Benghazi warrant many ?'s

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat May 11, 2013 5:55 pm

samhill wrote:Rwalker, I would think that maybe they knew how long it would take to get there by experience, the same way you think at that time there was not going to be an attack on say Tripoli or any other place at that given time. Hindsight is always 20/20 but military has to go on what is known at that time & at that time they knew very little, let those men take off & in 45 minutes attack Tripoli then you have no troops in either position, sounds like a solid play to me. Just how many militants attacked that night, how many of them were killed, how many of the men paid to protect them were killed, how many cut & run, how many joined in with the attackers? Lots of questions very little answers, as I said to me we shouldn't have been there from the get go until the country was stable, there should be no Americans there without the understanding that they will not be protected. I guess you feel that any group of military should feel free to go where they want whenever they want, you think Benghazi was attacked with slingshots & bean shooters? How many brave men & women have we lost in the last two unnecessary wars?


The SEALS wanted to go in. They didn't hesitate, they were TOLD to stand down. That is the difference. And, from what I read there was a 6 hour window between attacks. 6 hours. I have to defer to the fighting men on the ground with this one, and if they were cocked, locked, an ready to kick some ass, then I think they thought they could do it. Some over paid suit sitting in a comfy office somewhere, or sitting in some silk PJs drinking warm milk should not have made that call.

Yes. Anytime Americans are under attack, the United States Military should have the absolute right to go kick ass. If you yourself, or your family, is under attack do you not have the same right? I know I do, because soldiers like my grandfather fought for it.

Your last statement makes me sick. You are no patriot, you are a typical American cry-baby. I have many friends who have been in Iraq and Afghanistan and not a SINGLE one of them have called it unnecessary. An attack on the US is an act of war, be it a terrorist from over seas or home grown worthless scum. 1000s of Americans died on 9/11 and you call that war unnecessary? Go back to prospering under the very freedom our soldiers have died for. Drink your lattes and text on your Iphones and post on these forums. Raise your kids in a safe environment. Have the rights to practice whatever religion you want, say whatever you want, and own however many guns you want. Have the freedom to start your own business and makes millions. Have all those freedoms because America has the balls to step on the necks of our enemies, then call these wars unnecessary. If we really want to know what is wrong in America we need to look no further then attitudes like yours.

If that was your son or daughter that was on one of those planes Sam, your wife in one of those towers, your father in the embassy in Benghazi, would you feel the same?

God help us all if you would...
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat May 11, 2013 6:31 pm

Rwalker, OK big man you tell me which one of those two countries that we have lost our hero's to attacked us on 9/11. Big man, big talk, then do some talking & back your words up, which country was it? I
know what it is to serve my country, to kill or be killed, until you have walked the walk then keep your big mouth shut, arm chair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen. All I'm saying is use common sense, even 300 Spartans fell eventually. Running around the globe attacking & occupying countries is not the answer or haven't you figured that out yet? Which branch were you in?
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PostBy: franco b On: Sat May 11, 2013 6:38 pm

I don't agree with Sam very often but I wish he had been in charge rather than Hillary. I think he would have done the right thing instead of nothing.
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PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat May 11, 2013 6:54 pm

Does it matter which country did it? Both harbored and trained terrorists. Both allowed open media of terrorist taking responsibility for those attacks. As far as I am concerned, both disserved to be turned into giant parking lots. Period. I never said occupy, I said destroy. Never pick the fight, but damn sure finish it once you are sucker punched. When we are attacked, we need to make a statement. That statement is, attack Americans and you pay with your life. When we sit back and take it we look like a bitch country. A bully is only bully until they are gurgling on their own blood and teeth.

I have said plenty of times I have never served. I was unfortunately born with a congenital heart defect that has taken several surgeries to keep me healthy and upright. Not a single branch of the military will accept you with a pacemaker/ICD in your chest. Trust me, I tried all of them. No matter how many physical fitness tests I could pass, having to rely on a machine in my chest was a deal breaker. Fill me in on what that has to do with anything? As I have said, I know tons of men who have served in both countries, and they would gladly stand in line to knock your teeth out for calling it unnecessary. I would love to see you walk into a bar around here and start spouting off about how these wars are unnecessary.

If you served in the military, you should be ashamed of yourself. My grandfather earned a Bronze Star and a Combat Infantryman Badge in WW2. He never called a war unnecessary. Never.

And since you started the "big man" attacks, yes samhill, I am a pretty big man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PymVpKnhxHw and I always thank a War Vet for what they have done. Regardless of what war they fought in. 8-)
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PostBy: jpete On: Sat May 11, 2013 7:34 pm

Rwalker wrote:. A bully is only bully until they are gurgling on their own blood and teeth.


I think that is the mission statement of Al Qaida.
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PostBy: samhill On: Sat May 11, 2013 8:44 pm

Walker, you can know all the people you want that actually did something, talk is cheap & I've talked to many returning vets about how these wars were wrong. Saying that doesn't take anything away from what they did & are still doing, it's odd how we used to be the country that would aid others that were attacked & now you & others want to bomb others into parking lots. I guess if a hot head that doesn't use it for thinking would have his say how many parking lots do you think we could make before the rest of the world turned against us? How many Americans are over in these countries taking everything they can & building a hatred for America? If you would punch me in the face does that make it OK for me to punch someone else perhaps in your family? To make myself clear no country attacked us on 9/11, that may be a newsflash to you but it's a fact, not a country, not a religion but it was a bunch of people that we used the crap out of them & then didn't hold up our end of the bargain, they were our friends while they had something we needed & then we spat on them, why do you think they hated us so? But just like you they didn't go after the ones that screwed them but instead turned against innocent people. The way I was brought up your word is your bond. By the way there are plenty of non-combative even non-Gov. ways to serve I think everyone should have to do something for their country. Seems everybody has an excuse, not saying you don't but the ones that cry & pretend to know the most are the ones that have done the least. Just one old mans opinion, heck I'm still giving back, there is always some little thing that can be done instead of sitting back & criticizing if you think this whole charade isn't political then your too stubborn to realize what's going on.
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Re: Blatant LIES from Obama about Benghazi warrant many ?'s

PostBy: Rwalker On: Sat May 11, 2013 9:06 pm

You need to re-read what I have written. I don't advocate violence just for violence sake. But, as the old saying goes, sometimes violence is the only answer. If Americans are killed, we need to respond. We don't sit back and allow it to happen. When ready and able men want to go help, we send them. We don't hold them back. We tell them to stand down. Like I asked before Sam, if that were YOUR family in that embassy, would the response satisfy you? Or would you of wanted them to at least try? I know my answer. If that was my family I would want them safe. At any cost. People lost fathers, husbands, sons because we decided to not do sh*t.

You are right. Not a single country attacked us on 9/11. However; terrorists that were trained and supported by those countries did. That is enough for me, and it is enough for the thousands of soldiers that re-upped because of 9/11. If they didn't think it was necessary, why did so many re-enlist after 9/11? I have always believed in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Terrorists funded, backed, trained, and harbored in your country attacks citizens in our country, we do something about it. We don't sit back and say oh well. We beat their ass and make them think twice about harboring and training terrorists.

Benghazi is about the truth. Republican or democrat I don't care, who ever made the call needs fired. Who ever covered stuff up needs to be fired. I am not making this political, but lets face it, no other president has tucked himself into bed in the White House while Americans were under attack. How do you sleep at night?

I don't have an excuse. I can show you the scars then challenge you to find 1 single human walking the earth that has lifted the kinds of weights I have with a pacemaker and defibrillator in their chest. Find 1. Find 1 that despite being told not too continues to grapple and roll and try to better my BJJ skills against the advice of my team of doctors. Good luck. I achieved success in other areas, and I always wanted to be in the service. Follow in my grandfathers footsteps. Just wouldn't let me. But I do plenty for my country and for my state. I go inside a 2500 inmate prison 5 days a week to make a difference so others don't have to. People also feel safer at night because 2500 rapists, murderers, and child molesters are behind the walls I work inside of.

You are FREE to believe what you want. As am I. I believe we should have allowed those SEALS to do what they live to do. I believe we should beat the hell out of anyone who wants to attack our country in any way, shape, or form. That's me. One day my sons will be old enough to be in the military. If they are luck enough to make it that far, to be the best of the best, I hope they board that plane and attempt to save American lives. Damn the costs.
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