Time for a New Computer

Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:18 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:
What are your goals with this computer? What are you planning on doing with it? Because, honestly if your not playing video games then you are completely paying for parts and features you'll never use.


I've been gaming on computer since the commodore 64. ;) Haven't really had a chance lately, last game I bought was Doom3 and my old comp barely ran that. The graphics card will come in handy for Blender and the CPU power will be nice for video work. I'll certainly put these components to use for both work and play.

I try and stay a step behind the curve, these aren't the latest greatest but I'm getting SATA 3/ USB3 etc. Seems like this is just about the right time to buy, for example when I bought my last machine it was one of the first with SATA. This will literally be the third machine I've purchased since 97. I expect to get 7 or 8 year out of it assuming no major failures and in 7 or 8 years it's going to be a dog. ;)

Edit, here's my specs from 2003.

WinXP Home
3.02ghz P4
2x 120GB Seagate 7200 SATA
1024 MB Corsair PC-3200 XMS
Leadtek A380 - GeforceFX 5950 VIVO
Plextor PX-708A 8x
Gigabyte P4 Titan - GA-8IPE1000 w/Intel 865PE Chip

Funny thing is that machine was almost double what this new one is going to cost.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:01 pm

Hey I started gaming on a Commodore 64 back in the 1980's too and I'm only 35. I have fond memories of playing Wasteland on the C64 which is why I'm stoked for Wasteland 2 next year. The last major game I bought was Skyrim.

I had no idea you gamed so then I retract my last post and that rig will be perfect for you.

These are the specs for the computer I built in 2004 that cost me a little over $2500 to build:

Win XP SP3
AMD 64 3500+ (No OC)
3 gig Corsair Value Select Asus A8N SLi Premium
eVGA 7800 GTX (256)
Sound Blaster Audigy Zs Platinum Pro
200 gig Maxtor SATA
300 gig Maxtor SATA
Samsung T240 24" LCD

And here are my current specs this one ran me around $700 and I reused the two HDDs that were in my original build:

Win 7 32 bit
Asus M4A87T
AMD x64 Phenom II X4
8 Gigs of Corsair Ram XMS3 1600
eVGA 560 OC 2 gig
200 gig Maxtor SATA
300 gig Maxtor SATA
500 gig Western Digital Caviar Blue
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:27 pm

I am running a HP commercial workstation that I picked up on ebay for $300.

Two Xeon 3 ghz processors, 8 gigs of ram, 15,000 rpm SCSI drive...I added 2 tb drive for storage and a dvd burner. It is whisper quiet and very fast.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:42 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I had no idea you gamed so then I retract my last post and that rig will be perfect for you.


I do and don't but I really can't with current computer. :lol: I still play Rise of Nations a lot but that can run on nearly any machine going back to the early 2000's. For that game I actually have to smurf or no one will play me. :)

Sound Blaster Audigy Zs Platinum Pro


I had one of them too with a set of Klipsch 5.1 speakers, the speakers got cooked in the fire though.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:32 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:Hey I started gaming on a Commodore 64 back in the 1980's too and I'm only 35. I have fond memories of playing Wasteland on the C64 which is why I'm stoked for Wasteland 2 next year. The last major game I bought was Skyrim.

I had no idea you gamed so then I retract my last post and that rig will be perfect for you.

These are the specs for the computer I built in 2004 that cost me a little over $2500 to build:

Win XP SP3
AMD 64 3500+ (No OC)
3 gig Corsair Value Select Asus A8N SLi Premium
eVGA 7800 GTX (256)
Sound Blaster Audigy Zs Platinum Pro
200 gig Maxtor SATA
300 gig Maxtor SATA
Samsung T240 24" LCD

And here are my current specs this one ran me around $700 and I reused the two HDDs that were in my original build:

Win 7 32 bit
Asus M4A87T
AMD x64 Phenom II X4
8 Gigs of Corsair Ram XMS3 1600
eVGA 560 OC 2 gig
200 gig Maxtor SATA
300 gig Maxtor SATA
500 gig Western Digital Caviar Blue



nice setup if it was me i would go with the AMD over the Intel i have not had Intel in the last 15 years

Richard i been do the same thing here keep patching my old systems i really do not want to lose my xp pro i have a couple of graphic programs that were high $$$ that i want to keep
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:37 pm

RAYJAY wrote: i have a couple of graphic programs that were high $$$ that i want to keep


The video programs I have are getting old, I can almost get a consumer program and have nearly the same functionality at this point. The only thing that really sucks is they have been discontinued so I can't upgrade to win7 compatible version.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:46 am

RAYJAY wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:Hey I started gaming on a Commodore 64 back in the 1980's too and I'm only 35. I have fond memories of playing Wasteland on the C64 which is why I'm stoked for Wasteland 2 next year. The last major game I bought was Skyrim.

I had no idea you gamed so then I retract my last post and that rig will be perfect for you.

These are the specs for the computer I built in 2004 that cost me a little over $2500 to build:

Win XP SP3
AMD 64 3500+ (No OC)
3 gig Corsair Value Select Asus A8N SLi Premium
eVGA 7800 GTX (256)
Sound Blaster Audigy Zs Platinum Pro
200 gig Maxtor SATA
300 gig Maxtor SATA
Samsung T240 24" LCD

And here are my current specs this one ran me around $700 and I reused the two HDDs that were in my original build:

Win 7 32 bit
Asus M4A87T
AMD x64 Phenom II X4
8 Gigs of Corsair Ram XMS3 1600
eVGA 560 OC 2 gig
200 gig Maxtor SATA
300 gig Maxtor SATA
500 gig Western Digital Caviar Blue



nice setup if it was me i would go with the AMD over the Intel i have not had Intel in the last 15 years

Richard i been do the same thing here keep patching my old systems i really do not want to lose my xp pro i have a couple of graphic programs that were high $$$ that i want to keep


Thanks. The MAxtor drives are showing their age. They make a lot of noise. In fact I just installed Battlefield 3 to one of them and it can't take it. It stops responding. I've been running AMD since 2004. I like them. They are a hell of a lot cheaper than the Intel procs.

Richard,

I still have the Audigy Zs, though it's not in the current system. But I am still using the Klipsch 2.1 speakers that came with the Audigy; they too are showing their age the amplifier in the sub makes noise once in a while. I'm currently just using the on board audio, I'll use on board until it dies then get an actual sound card.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: baddawg On: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:06 am

Richard, nice choice on the SSD drives.

Rayjay, glad to see a AMD fan. No Intel here either since I starting building. If you go with Win7 pro, you can run it in XP mode to run older programs that won't for some reason run on Win7.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:12 am

What a project this has been, this is like moving into a new house. LOL

The computer arrived last week however the 8 pin power cable for the mobo was a little too short. This computer has the PSU mounted on the bottom of the case, actually makes a lot of sense because the air is pulled from under the case and expelled right out the back instead of first going through the case. Most of the new cases I was looking at were configured like this. The only complaint is the case and PSU was sold as a bundle and they have to know that this power cord isn't going to be long enough for many configurations. The next issue is there is no IDE connection on the mobo and I never even gave it thought and didn't realize it until it arrived. Even if I could power it up I have no way to install windows.

After spending a day searching for 8 pin extension cable I come to the conclusion there isn't a real computer store left where I live. I was surprised to find Best Buy has just about nothing for internal computer parts and even more surprised to find the small local shops didn't have it either. I stop at the one store and the guy tells me I'll have to buy a new PSU because they don't make these extensions...... :roll:

I finally get this thing together and it's the big moment, I hover my finger over the power button and push it......... nothin. :lol:

I look inside the case and notice the power button on the mobo is lit up, I push that and it whirs to life BUT the CPU fan isn't spinning. I turned it off really quick. Examining the connection for the fan I notice the fan wires is just barely touching the fan, it came like this from the factory. I get hat out of the way and push button on the mobo again and we're in business! Back to the power button on the case... I double check the wires on the mobo and then notice the negative wire on the switch itself is not connected. :mad:

I already had these wires all routed and zip tied in so I have to cut all the zip ties to to get the front panel off the case. After chiseling off a pound of hot glue they used to help secure the switch I find there is four pins on it with the hot wire connected to one of them and they aren't marked. I call up their support to find out which pin I need to connect it to and their suggestion is to send it back. I figured it out myself with the multimeter.

Next problem is the two drives I bought off of Rob, I decided to run them in RAID1 setting since I have a SSD for the apps and OS, I'm basically going to use them as My Documents. RAID1 is redundant system that mirrors data on two hard drives. If one fails I still have the other one. :) The probability of data loss is minimal and I get a slight boost in read speeds since data can be read from both disks at once. Anyhow I set RAID up in the BIOS and try to boot into windows and I get the blue screen of death, haven't seen one of them in years. LOL After a little research I determined because I had initially installed Windows as non raid system there was issue with Windows not loading the RAID drivers and they had registry fix for it on Windows site.

At this point in time should something like this be that hard? I can't possibly be the only one on the planet that has added a RAID array to a system that was already installed without a RAID array.

I'm done yet though because Rob was using these in a *nix system, Windows now boots and recognizes the disks but they have 0 bytes available. This was no easy task either (at least for me because I never did it before), I had to go into the administrator section under Disk Management so I could format the drives to operate under Windows.

Anyhow I'm up and running and enjoying it, still copying files and transferring things like email. I've used windows 7 and Vista before but this is going to take a while to get used too. There is lot of features I like, being able to hover over open windows on the task bar to get a preview is really nice. It's a bit confusing but there is a lot of potential there once I get used to that feature. I really need to get a copy of Battlefield. :)
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Re: Time for a New Computer

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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:33 pm

WOW you guys are way over my head with this stuff. I just want a computer that WORKS! :lol: Guess I gotta build my own ... but that's like a software engineer building a motorcycle. Helps to have a clue as to wtf your doing ... which I do NOT ...
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: wilder11354 On: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:47 pm

i also built a new computer a year ago, ASUS M4N75TD AM3 NVIDIA nForce 750a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard , CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular, AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad, G.SKILL 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666), EVGA 01G-P3-1450-TR GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card, Western Digital WD Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive, 2 ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner. I used an old ATX case i had, all fit well. built it with test power ups after each comonent was installed before OS was installed. MB will beep for correct power up tests, if theres an error it will beep a sqeunce for what component connection its not reading or working. Also ram memory tester before S install. I orginally put crucial memory in at fast speed, but MB wouldn't accept it, or had bad stick so returned them for G skills. after all was good with internals electronically i installed W7 64 bit. Still thinking about second video card... but i don't game, just wanted a good solid computer that will be upgradable for another 10 years or so. Last MB was an asus/amd, never had a bit of problems but it was 10 years old and newer software was more that the set up would handle. Im satisfied with asus/ amd combinations. also thinking about an ssd drive.
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Rob R. On: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:19 am

I don't play any games, so my personal computer is normally used for light-duty tasks such as browsing nepacrossroads and sending emails. Occasionally I rip/encode dvd's or music, so it is nice to have a decent processor for those things.

SMITTY wrote:WOW you guys are way over my head with this stuff. I just want a computer that WORKS! :lol: Guess I gotta build my own ... but that's like a software engineer building a motorcycle. Helps to have a clue as to wtf your doing ... which I do NOT ...


There are lots of pre-built computers available that run fine, most problems are due to crappy software being installed, or operator error. :P
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Re: Time for a New Computer

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:35 am

Rob R. wrote: most problems are due to crappy software being installed, P


I love fresh install of windows, total desktop icons: 1

Having said that my Mother got a Asus not too long ago and it wasn't that bad.
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