Yeah Biden was a TOTAL ass. Precisely the type of douche bag you want to feed your fist to after a couple drinks. That debate pretty much showed the whole Obama administration in a nutshell: Hyper-arrogance. Take a complete and total falsehood and present it with so much passion that you could convince the masses that water is not wet, and 1+1 = 6. When accused, laugh it off & try desperately to make your opponent look stupid ... and if that doesn't work, spin the story around and make it your opponent's fault.
A familiar pattern has developed over the past 4 years. Just hope the rest of the independents can see that.
As far as winners or losers go, it's gonna depend on where you stand politically. Dems are gonna think Biden hit it out of the park by being aggressive. Republicans will think Ryan won just because Biden was such an arrogant shithead - and he got his points across clearly. I think independents will call it a draw, but I hope they were put off by Biden's smarmy, *censored* attitude.