The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:09 am

lsayre wrote:So clearly per Glen Beck (via obviously strained and stretched logic and inference via raising from the dead a figure from the mid 1600's, which means here major truth twisting, or, OK, outright lying) Ron Paul (probably the most peace loving and peace desiring politician of our time) is nothing less than a radical domestic terrorist who (among other things) wants to blow up the government.

Is it a coincidence that November 5th, 2007 was one year from the 2008 election, and one year from the election is traditionally the day on which most Presidential candidates launch their campaigns in earnest, or did Ron Paul launch his campaign on that date specifically in reverence and commemoration of Guy Fawkes? Glen Beck is a clown. Thank God I don't have a television, or follow Glen Beck.


The truth is, Ron Paul had nothing to do with the November 5th fundraiser.

It was an online donation plan set up by supporters. In England, they have a catchy little people that starts "Remember, remember, the 5th of November..." so it was an easy way to keep that date in everyone mind.

We all donated on that day, and it WORKED! He made the news. That was the point, to FORCE the MSM to cover Ron Paul.

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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:10 am

Guys that Beck clip was 5 YEARS AGO! Soooooooooo much has changed since then - even Glenn would admit that! I'd bet if you asked him about that right now, he'd retract that statement. On his show last week he stated "I'm not even the same man I was 4 years ago. Are you?" He was just like the rest of us - heads in the sand, going about our daily lives like it always was.

In '07 he was on CNN -- that network told him what to say, what NOT to say, and HOW to say it. What else would you expect from anyone? THIS is the EXACT REASON he formed The Blaze TV - he owns it all - he owes NOTHING to anyone - he's not beholden to special interests like ALL the mainstream media is. TRUTH is the only agenda on that channel. But you guys wouldn't know that because of a statement he made 5 years ago.

Alot has happened in 5 years. People still had their heads in the sand while our government ran amok, answering to no one. We still believed history as it was taught in school. That was an eternity ago. People are finally awake - they're getting involved and CHANGING things for the better. God is coming back into people's lives. The truth of our past has been told - the REAL history. Look at all the bums we threw out in '10 - even liberal Massachusetts put a REPUBLICAN in a seat held for 50 YEARS by Ted Kennedy! We're not even the same country!

It's going to take time to get a Ron Paul type in office. We still have the 2 major parties dominating everything. If you want to change that, you gotta start at the BOTTOM.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:12 am

The US Constitution doesn't even allow for a permanent standing army, let alone for foreign entanglements, nation building, and military bases around the globe. Does reading it and wishing to (Heaven forbid) actually desire to abide by it make one a domestic terrorist?
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:16 am

Dann757 wrote:Man,
You sure are emotional. Can't really give a rational response to someone who's hysterical. Nice comeback though on the Glenn Beck thing, a five year old video posted by a staunch Ron Paul supporter. :D

Imagine we pulled out worldwide right now from every US base. It takes time though, months. Would that make you happy? And THAT wouldn't lead to other global conflicts? I think I get your concepts, I just don't like to rail against my own country like you do.


You wanted to see where Beck made his claim. I showed it to you.

Maybe that's why you don't care much for the Constitution. *censored*, that was written hundreds of years ago. No way you can take that seriously!

What would make me happy is not following Greece down the tubes.

Trying to maintain an empire militarily is how we caused the the Soviet Union to fall. Think they won't be happy to return the favor?
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:20 am

Let me ask each and every one of you what would happen to us as a country if we in fact dissolve our military, pull out of the world, and allow each and every group that has come here to pursue their own form of happiness? Do you think other countries would fill the vacancy of power and control the assets of small countries? How would that work for us? Oil? Minerals? How many think we can dominate or just be strong enough to survive without the resources only available from foreign soil? What is the answer?

Kevin
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:22 am

jpete wrote:You wanted to see where Beck made his claim. I showed it to you.

smitty's comeback blew you out of the water.

jpete wrote:Maybe that's why you don't care much for the Constitution.


Unlike you, I care for it enough to fight for it. If you had the constitution on a table with one of your guns and your training; and a jihadist was charging you with a scmitar, would you let yourself be killed in support of the constitution; knowing that the jihadist would burn it and eliminate it?

Hysterical.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: KLook On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:24 am

Wow this is way of topic!

Kevin
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:28 am

Switzerland leaves everyone alone, and in return everyone leaves Switzerland alone. Witness WWI and WWII. Perhaps there is value in peace. And perhaps peace does not come from the barrel of a gun.

I will admit that my original topic got blitzed long ago. And at some juncture I even tried to revive it, but to no avail.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:32 am

KLook wrote:Let me ask each and every one of you what would happen to us as a country if we in fact dissolve our military, pull out of the world, and allow each and every group that has come here to pursue their own form of happiness? Do you think other countries would fill the vacancy of power and control the assets of small countries? How would that work for us? Oil? Minerals? How many think we can dominate or just be strong enough to survive without the resources only available from foreign soil? What is the answer?

Kevin


No one said "dissolve the military". Just return it to it's Constitutionally sized limit. Every public official from dog catcher to POTUS takes an oath to uphold so how did we get here?

And I think your question is a little biased in that it assumes we have a right to those minerals and oil.

What happened to good old American ingenuity? Can we not find solutions to problems anymore? Do we just have to smash and grab what we need from the rest of the world?

Truly free markets are a far better way to maintain peace than carrying a big stick. If you kill your customers, you don't stay in business very long.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: franco b On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:34 am

lsayre wrote: And perhaps peace does not come from the barrel of a gun.

Maybe it does. Switzerland has always been well armed. It would just be too costly to invade for what would be gained.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:37 am

KLook wrote:Wow this is way of topic!

Kevin


I don't think so.

Golden rule: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

Platinum rule: Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.


Honestly, I don't see much difference between the two.

Unless we as a country WANT other people to be a t war with us so we do that to others. I suppose that could be a completely true statement.

I'd rather not have people try to kill me, so I try to avoid killing others. Maybe I'm the minority...
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:38 am

franco b wrote:
lsayre wrote: And perhaps peace does not come from the barrel of a gun.

Maybe it does. Switzerland has always been well armed. It would just be too costly to invade for what would be gained.


I can't imagine that we would let down our defense. I only question our offense. I think you knew that, and I think you knew that my reference to Switzerland was made in light of the defense vs. offense issue. It all comes down to our foreign entanglements.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:41 am

jpete wrote:No one said "dissolve the military". Just return it to it's Constitutionally sized limit.


You're the expert, what is that limit? How does that fare with China building a massive navy as we speak?


I don't know the history about Switzerland, but if Hitler had have won, how long do you think it would have held in the face of the Third Reich?

Maybe Ambassador Stevens tried his best to bring the golden rule to Libya.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:42 am

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:You wanted to see where Beck made his claim. I showed it to you.

smitty's comeback blew you out of the water.


You've got a low threshold for comebacks. A couple dozen Congressmen get elected and now the country is radically changed? Especially that RINO Scott Brown? Even the Tea Party people who voted for him are disappointed with his performance and he likely won't be re-elected.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -2093.html

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:Maybe that's why you don't care much for the Constitution.


Unlike you, I care for it enough to fight for it. If you had the constitution on a table with one of your guns and your training; and a jihadist was charging you with a scmitar, would you let yourself be killed in support of the constitution; knowing that the jihadist would burn it and eliminate it?

Hysterical.


Where in the Constitution does it say I can't defend myself? You have this bizarre notion that I am a pacifist or something. I am not. If attacked, I will defend myself fully.

That's a little different than the neo con philosophy of attacking everyone first.
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Re: The golden rule is being replaced by the platinum rule

PostBy: Dann757 On: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:46 am

jpete wrote:Where in the Constitution does it say I can't defend myself? You have this bizarre notion that I am a pacifist or something. I am not. If attacked, I will defend myself fully.

That's a little different than the neo con philosophy of attacking everyone first.


You have a tendency to assume.

I just don't agree with sitting around waiting for an enemy tank to come up my driveway. There's a lot of turmoil in the world, like I say, China,Islam, Iran, Venezuela, would all destroy us if we implemented your brilliant strategic assesments.
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