Not coal but interesting

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:47 pm

The bottom line is, this window stove does not appear to have UL listing. Don't know anything about Omni Labs where this stove was tested. Generally if a stove is not UL listed, the next best thing is Warnock-Hersey labs. I guess we willl have to wait and see if these things start causing fires. I'll stick to my beautiful black rocks. 8-)

I think I will contact Northern about their claim that the stove is UL approved.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:14 pm

Here is the online chat I had with a northern Rep regarding this stove.

"Thank you for choosing Northern Tool. A representative will be with you shortly.

Hi, my name is Jill. I am a Northern Tool + Equipment Sales Specialist. How may I help you today?

Terry: Hi Jill. I am inquiring about item #175098, a window mounted pellet stove. your online ad says it is UL approved yet I can find nothing in the stoves documenation that makes that claim.

Jill: Hello Terry, I'd be happy to help you with that!

Jill: Please allow me 1 to 2 minutes to research this for you.

Terry: OK

Jill: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.

Jill: You will need to get that paper work from the manufacture at 423/837/2100 I don't have it here.

Terry: The manufacturers manual for this stove are in a link in the ad and they list no UL approval. It appears to me that northern may have put that in the ad in error.

Jill: It could be a possibility, that's why I would recommend checking with the manufacture.

Terry: OK Jill, thank you."
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:05 pm

OK, current status. I spoke with tech support at US stove. Not UL listed. I tehn contacted Northern again and told them of the misrepresentation on the web ad and asked them to take action. I also asked to have someone from the legal department follow up with me as I feel strongly that anyone who purchased this stove from them needs to be notified of the lack of UL listing. Really I think they should offer to take the stoves back to anyone who would like to return them.

Yes, I've go too much time on my hands today. I'll keep this updated when I hear back.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal


Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:25 pm

CK

Will be interesting to see how US Stove deals with this. If the stove isn't UL "Approved/Listed" then N Tool should not be claiming that it is. I am sure some testing lab has done its thing with this stove as I don't see places like Home Depot selling it if it wasn't. Then again I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first nor the last either! :lol:

I do think this stove is pretty cool and is perfect for those in a condo or apartment or any smaller or hard to heat spot. If one can be made for wood pellets why not coal?
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:58 pm

coalkirk wrote:Yes, I've go too much time on my hands today. I'll keep this updated when I hear back.


HHAHAHA I know the feeling. I got in a battle with the Cella Chocolate Covered Cherry Co. I swear.

This is a good cause. I just checked the ad and UL approved is still in the description. Good eye on that. Maybe UL means Undocumented Losers :D
Dann757
 

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: steamup On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:37 pm

From the 2400 Window Pellet Unit owner's manual on the US stove website:

"Your Pellet heater has been safety tested and listed to ASTM E 1509-04 and ULC S627-00, by Intertek Testing
Services in Portland, Oregon, USA."

ULC is Underwriters Laboratory Canada


A little pricey but the perfect "redneck" appliance.
steamup
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman-Anderson AA-130, Keystoker K-6
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: HS Tarm 502 Wood/Coal/Oil
Coal Size/Type: pea, buck, rice

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:07 pm

steamup wrote:From the 2400 Window Pellet Unit owner's manual on the US stove website:

"Your Pellet heater has been safety tested and listed to ASTM E 1509-04 and ULC S627-00, by Intertek Testing
Services in Portland, Oregon, USA."

ULC is Underwriters Laboratory Canada


A little pricey but the perfect "redneck" appliance.


Yes, but not in the USA. THe UL claim should be removed from Northerns website by Friday morning, per an email I just received from them.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:49 pm

I wonder if NAFTA night have something something to do with all of this? Certification/Testing in Canada is good for the US and vice versa? Possible? Just a thought...

From NAFTA "The U.S. and Mexico agreed to establish procedures for accepting results from testing facilities in the territory of another NAFTA country for use in the conformity assessment of telecommunications equipment. This will allow a manufacturer to test a product only once and then have the test results accepted in other NAFTA countries. This can particularly save costs for smaller manufacturers."
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:35 pm

ONEDOLLAR wrote:I wonder if NAFTA night have something something to do with all of this? Certification/Testing in Canada is good for the US and vice versa? Possible? Just a thought...

From NAFTA "The U.S. and Mexico agreed to establish procedures for accepting results from testing facilities in the territory of another NAFTA country for use in the conformity assessment of telecommunications equipment. This will allow a manufacturer to test a product only once and then have the test results accepted in other NAFTA countries. This can particularly save costs for smaller manufacturers."


I wonder if US home hazard insureance companies buy into the NAFTA lingo :?:
VigIIPeaBurner
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Keystoker Koker
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Vermont Casting Vigilant II 2310
Other Heating: #2 Oil Furnace

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:55 pm

The Home Depot link from the previous page shows conflicting ratings percentage totals...

What are you supposed to think when one review is 5 stars and another is one star?

One guy says it's the greatest appliance ever and the next says it broke ten times in the first minute :D

They say a happy customer will tell ten people and an unhappy one will tell a hundred :!:

coalkirk wrote:THe UL claim should be removed from Northerns website by Friday morning, per an email I just received from them.


Good consumer advocate work!

Can you help me? The damn Entenmann's Fudge Iced Golden cake I get has just been reduced in size! The cake used to be 2" thick, now it's 1" thick and they put it in the same box! Bastards. :x
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:00 pm

I'm not 100% sure but I think having an ASTM rating is just as good as a UL rating. UL is not the only ratings agency in the country, the American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM) is the other big agency. I believe that as long as the appliance has a rating from either agency it's OK. I think the same applies for ULC ratings as well. UL Canada is still part of UL and they follow the same testing practices and standards.

Again, I'm not 100% sure, I couldn't find anything online to confirm this. I'll see if I can find anything at work.
I'm On Fire
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machines DS-1600 Hot Air Circulator

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:04 pm

[/quote]Can you help me? The damn Entenmann's Fudge Iced Golden cake I get has just been reduced in size! The cake used to be 2" thick, now it's 1" thick and they put it in the same box! Bastards. :x[/quote]


Now that is just WRONG....... So so wrong..... AND LOW. Nation's have gone to war over less.
ONEDOLLAR
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: 2014 Chubby Prototype
Baseburners & Antiques: Crawford #2 Base Heater
Coal Size/Type: Nut/Anthracite

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: Dann757 On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:12 pm

OK I'm posting too much, but, if I was really interested in that appliance; I would probably pass due to the percentage of bad reviews.
Dann757
 

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: Rob R. On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:24 pm

You guys ruined it for me, I was going to order one and burn buck coal in it. :lol:
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Coal Size/Type: Rice/buck
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:56 pm

I'm On Fire wrote:I'm not 100% sure but I think having an ASTM rating is just as good as a UL rating. UL is not the only ratings agency in the country, the American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM) is the other big agency. I believe that as long as the appliance has a rating from either agency it's OK. I think the same applies for ULC ratings as well. UL Canada is still part of UL and they follow the same testing practices and standards.

Again, I'm not 100% sure, I couldn't find anything online to confirm this. I'll see if I can find anything at work.


"ASTM International develops international standards for materials, products, systems and services used in construction, manufacturing and transportation. ASTM " From their website.

In other words they develop standards for stuff (materials). UL tests products/devices. There is a significant difference. If you have a product and you want UL to test it, you've got to pay for that service. ULC does not apply here in the US.
coalkirk
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Harman VF3000
Coal Size/Type: antrhcite/rice coal