Not coal but interesting

Not coal but interesting

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:17 pm

Saw something like this at Lowes the other day...a window mount pellet stove!

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... _200446397
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: Dann757 On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:23 am

That is interesting! I wonder if that meets codes everywhere? A couple pics on the site mentioned hopper problems.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: tsb On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:24 am

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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: dll On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:01 am

The hopper problem mentioned in the Customer Submitted Images could be from the unit not being level and/or moisture in the wood pellets.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:17 am

Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:42 am

I looked at them a while back heres a video
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:05 pm

coalkirk wrote:Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.


Semantics. UL tests stuff and if they approve of it, it is "UL Listed".

"Listed" as what? An "approved" device that is safe to operate under certain conditions!
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:12 pm

jpete wrote:
coalkirk wrote:Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.


Semantics. UL tests stuff and if they approve of it, it is "UL Listed".

"Listed" as what? An "approved" device that is safe to operate under certain conditions!


I think UL would disagree with your analysis. Like I said, they don't "approve" anything. It's not semantics. UL Listing means that UL has tested representative samples of the product and determined that it meets UL's requirements. These requirements are based primarily on UL's published and nationally recognized Standards for Safety. They do not approve anything.

http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/corp ... nal/mark3/

Also nothing in the owners manual about UL. Just that it was tested by some independent lab to an ASTM standard. :roll:
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:15 pm

coalkirk wrote:I think UL would disagree with your analysis. Like I said, they don't "approve" anything. It's not semantics. UL Listing means that UL has tested representative samples of the product and determined that it meets UL's requirements. These requirements are based primarily on UL's published and nationally recognized Standards for Safety. They do not approve anything.


So it's tested and meets their requirements and they certify that the product meets those requirements which allows the manufacturer to put the UL logo on the product.

Sure sounds like an "approval" to me.

If there is no UL sticker on the product then the guy is lying but it seems odd to lie about something so easily verified.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:35 am

Nothing in the documentation for this stove says anything about UL. Only the Northern Tool Ad says UL. This stove was tested by Omni Test Labs in Portland Oregon...which means nothing. You could set up JPete test labs in Rhode Island and it would carry just as much weight.

I do not believe UL ever tested this stove. If they did, it did not get " listed". Also per your last post, they also did not "certify" this stove. Words have meaning and a highly professional organization like UL does not through words around like approved and certified lightly. That thing looks like a fire waiting to happen to me.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:45 am

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25ecodZ ... H_qmm_A_ZU

According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:49 am

Didn't we have a thread about this last year?
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:09 am

ONEDOLLAR wrote:http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25ecodZ5yc1v/R-202569049/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=pellet+stove&storeId=10051#.UH_qmm_A_ZU

According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.


I think you read the Home Depot specs wrong. It says
Ul listed. - N - No UL code listing

Yes we did have a thread about UL listings last year about a different product.
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:25 am

Coalkirk
Maybe I did. Don't know, but something tells me Home Depot wouldn't sell the product unless it had some sort of testing/rating by one of the testing labs out there. Those pesky lawyers like that kind of thing.

Edited to add the PDF Owner's Manual says this.. " Safety Tested to ASTM 1509-04 & ULC S-627-00" Whatever that may mean. :?
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Re: Not coal but interesting

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:07 pm

A quick search says "ULC" is the "Underwriters Laboratories of Canada" but you have to shell out major cash to see the specs.

The S-627-00 codes have to do with solid fuel heating appliances.
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