Not Coal but Interesting
- jpete
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Saw something like this at Lowes the other day...a window mount pellet stove!
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_20 ... _200446397
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_20 ... _200446397
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Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.
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I looked at them a while back heres a video
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Semantics. UL tests stuff and if they approve of it, it is "UL Listed".coalkirk wrote:Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.
"Listed" as what? An "approved" device that is safe to operate under certain conditions!
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I think UL would disagree with your analysis. Like I said, they don't "approve" anything. It's not semantics. UL Listing means that UL has tested representative samples of the product and determined that it meets UL's requirements. These requirements are based primarily on UL's published and nationally recognized Standards for Safety. They do not approve anything.jpete wrote:Semantics. UL tests stuff and if they approve of it, it is "UL Listed".coalkirk wrote:Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.
"Listed" as what? An "approved" device that is safe to operate under certain conditions!
http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/corporate/abou ... nal/mark3/
Also nothing in the owners manual about UL. Just that it was tested by some independent lab to an ASTM standard.
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So it's tested and meets their requirements and they certify that the product meets those requirements which allows the manufacturer to put the UL logo on the product.coalkirk wrote:I think UL would disagree with your analysis. Like I said, they don't "approve" anything. It's not semantics. UL Listing means that UL has tested representative samples of the product and determined that it meets UL's requirements. These requirements are based primarily on UL's published and nationally recognized Standards for Safety. They do not approve anything.
Sure sounds like an "approval" to me.
If there is no UL sticker on the product then the guy is lying but it seems odd to lie about something so easily verified.
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Nothing in the documentation for this stove says anything about UL. Only the Northern Tool Ad says UL. This stove was tested by Omni Test Labs in Portland Oregon...which means nothing. You could set up JPete test labs in Rhode Island and it would carry just as much weight.
I do not believe UL ever tested this stove. If they did, it did not get " listed". Also per your last post, they also did not "certify" this stove. Words have meaning and a highly professional organization like UL does not through words around like approved and certified lightly. That thing looks like a fire waiting to happen to me.
I do not believe UL ever tested this stove. If they did, it did not get " listed". Also per your last post, they also did not "certify" this stove. Words have meaning and a highly professional organization like UL does not through words around like approved and certified lightly. That thing looks like a fire waiting to happen to me.
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According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.
According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.
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Didn't we have a thread about this last year?
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I think you read the Home Depot specs wrong. It saysONEDOLLAR wrote:http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25ecodZ5yc1v/R-20 ... H_qmm_A_ZU
According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.
Ul listed. - N - No UL code listing
Yes we did have a thread about UL listings last year about a different product.
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Maybe I did. Don't know, but something tells me Home Depot wouldn't sell the product unless it had some sort of testing/rating by one of the testing labs out there. Those pesky lawyers like that kind of thing.
Edited to add the PDF Owner's Manual says this.. " Safety Tested to ASTM 1509-04 & ULC S-627-00" Whatever that may mean.
Maybe I did. Don't know, but something tells me Home Depot wouldn't sell the product unless it had some sort of testing/rating by one of the testing labs out there. Those pesky lawyers like that kind of thing.
Edited to add the PDF Owner's Manual says this.. " Safety Tested to ASTM 1509-04 & ULC S-627-00" Whatever that may mean.
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A quick search says "ULC" is the "Underwriters Laboratories of Canada" but you have to shell out major cash to see the specs.
The S-627-00 codes have to do with solid fuel heating appliances.
The S-627-00 codes have to do with solid fuel heating appliances.