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Post by jpete » Tue. Oct. 16, 2012 10:17 pm

Saw something like this at Lowes the other day...a window mount pellet stove!

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_20 ... _200446397


 
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Post by Dann757 » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 1:23 am

That is interesting! I wonder if that meets codes everywhere? A couple pics on the site mentioned hopper problems.

 
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Post by dll » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 7:01 am

The hopper problem mentioned in the Customer Submitted Images could be from the unit not being level and/or moisture in the wood pellets.

 
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Post by coalkirk » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 9:17 am

Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.

 
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Post by carlherrnstein » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 11:42 am

I looked at them a while back heres a video

 
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Post by jpete » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 4:05 pm

coalkirk wrote:Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.
Semantics. UL tests stuff and if they approve of it, it is "UL Listed".

"Listed" as what? An "approved" device that is safe to operate under certain conditions!


 
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Post by coalkirk » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 9:12 pm

jpete wrote:
coalkirk wrote:Interesting but I smell a rat. The ad says "UL approved." UL doesn't "approve" anything.
Semantics. UL tests stuff and if they approve of it, it is "UL Listed".

"Listed" as what? An "approved" device that is safe to operate under certain conditions!
I think UL would disagree with your analysis. Like I said, they don't "approve" anything. It's not semantics. UL Listing means that UL has tested representative samples of the product and determined that it meets UL's requirements. These requirements are based primarily on UL's published and nationally recognized Standards for Safety. They do not approve anything.

http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/corporate/abou ... nal/mark3/

Also nothing in the owners manual about UL. Just that it was tested by some independent lab to an ASTM standard. :roll:

 
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Post by jpete » Wed. Oct. 17, 2012 11:15 pm

coalkirk wrote:I think UL would disagree with your analysis. Like I said, they don't "approve" anything. It's not semantics. UL Listing means that UL has tested representative samples of the product and determined that it meets UL's requirements. These requirements are based primarily on UL's published and nationally recognized Standards for Safety. They do not approve anything.
So it's tested and meets their requirements and they certify that the product meets those requirements which allows the manufacturer to put the UL logo on the product.

Sure sounds like an "approval" to me.

If there is no UL sticker on the product then the guy is lying but it seems odd to lie about something so easily verified.

 
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Post by coalkirk » Thu. Oct. 18, 2012 7:35 am

Nothing in the documentation for this stove says anything about UL. Only the Northern Tool Ad says UL. This stove was tested by Omni Test Labs in Portland Oregon...which means nothing. You could set up JPete test labs in Rhode Island and it would carry just as much weight.

I do not believe UL ever tested this stove. If they did, it did not get " listed". Also per your last post, they also did not "certify" this stove. Words have meaning and a highly professional organization like UL does not through words around like approved and certified lightly. That thing looks like a fire waiting to happen to me.

 
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Post by ONEDOLLAR » Thu. Oct. 18, 2012 7:45 am

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25ecodZ5yc1v/R-20 ... H_qmm_A_ZU

According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.

 
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Post by I'm On Fire » Thu. Oct. 18, 2012 10:49 am

Didn't we have a thread about this last year?

 
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Post by coalkirk » Thu. Oct. 18, 2012 11:09 am

ONEDOLLAR wrote:http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25ecodZ5yc1v/R-20 ... H_qmm_A_ZU

According to Home Depot this unit is UL "Listed" but there is no UL "Code Rating". Whatever that means.
I think you read the Home Depot specs wrong. It says
Ul listed. - N - No UL code listing

Yes we did have a thread about UL listings last year about a different product.

 
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Post by ONEDOLLAR » Thu. Oct. 18, 2012 11:25 am

Coalkirk
Maybe I did. Don't know, but something tells me Home Depot wouldn't sell the product unless it had some sort of testing/rating by one of the testing labs out there. Those pesky lawyers like that kind of thing.

Edited to add the PDF Owner's Manual says this.. " Safety Tested to ASTM 1509-04 & ULC S-627-00" Whatever that may mean. :?

 
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Post by jpete » Thu. Oct. 18, 2012 12:07 pm

A quick search says "ULC" is the "Underwriters Laboratories of Canada" but you have to shell out major cash to see the specs.

The S-627-00 codes have to do with solid fuel heating appliances.


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