KITCHEN RANGES

Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:46 am

Rambler, you have chosen wisely, now there are a million guys here that can advise you and you have saved a ton of money and will get a US functional unit. Models of common yesterdays favorites are still available but do us a favor send lots of pics of the install. Pay a little more and get a dealer restored model. B4 you leap make sure that the floor is a concrete slab, you have the required clearance all round as you need a lot more room than a Rayburn. Do you have a way of getting that 1000# monster to where you want it as those suckers are r e a l heavy too. Don't fall for a deal in someones basement unless you know how you are going to get it out. I'm jealous but there is no way I can use one of those beautiful babies.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: ramblerboy2 On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:50 pm

If I get one I'll probably spring for a professionally restored model. And yes, getting it into my kitchen will be a bit of a project. I live on the second floor of my house. I'm sure it's possible, as these things were installed in upper story kitchens back in the day. There must have been some kind of coal burning kitchen range in my kitchen originally, right in the spot where I'm planning to install this one. Still, I don't want to think about the logistics of moving one of these up here. Hopefully a lot of parts can be removed and reinstalled when it gets up here. Will need to look into making some alterations to circulate some of the heat into other parts of the home. Probably easiest to cut a vent into the kitchen ceiling to allow some heat up into the third floor and use the backstairs as a cold return.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:28 pm

The main advantage that the Aga and Rayburn have over antique american coal ovens is the shape. The Aga's fit more naturally into a modern kitchen than does an oddly shaped Crawford or Glenwood range. I would prefer a dual-fuel Crawford, but then I would have to make substantial alterations to my kitchen and most wives won't tolerate the look of an antique range, this is why an english range is so popular.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:16 pm

EarthWindandFire wrote:The main advantage that the Aga and Rayburn have over antique american coal ovens is the shape. The Aga's fit more naturally into a modern kitchen than does an oddly shaped Crawford or Glenwood range. I would prefer a dual-fuel Crawford, but then I would have to make substantial alterations to my kitchen and most wives won't tolerate the look of an antique range, this is why an english range is so popular.


and this is why I wanted a rayburn because of its size and function. I did just buy a zephyr that is a perfect though. One thing I still don't like about it though. the flue pipe juts out the back so you have to sit it off the wall and all that space behind it looks stupid. Which most American cook stoves have. It's like they made them to sit in the middle of the room.

take this Rayburn diagrahm for example... Notice where the flue pipe comes out? you can put the stove right up against the wall and it fits well.
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looking at the rayburns has made me realize that I don't want to use the zephyr I bought really. It was just too good of a deal and too good of condition to pass up. I will restore that stove and sell it and find an english stove to put in my house. An antique rayburn is really what I want and I shouldn't short myself it will also make my wife happy to have a more English kitchen anyways considering she is British herself ;)

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Look at that stove right up against the wall! marvelous!

other than the heartlands artisan where can you find a stove like this in America?

http://www.heartlandapp.com/en/Products/WoodburningCookstoves/Woodburning/CastIron/HLARTISAN.Artisan_Wood_Cookstove.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


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Can someone pass me on to these AGA's and Rayburns in America? I have wondered about having one shipped over the pond if I could get it cheap enough.

I will not be using it to heat the house but use it in the winter to heat my hotwater (not radiators) and to cook on and heat in the kitchen. The main heat is left up to the stove in the living room.

but if anyone can point me in the direction of a cook stove available, other than the ones I mentioned, that can fit flat against a wall and doesn't have a flue pipe that sticks out the back please do because that is what I want in my house.


PS. looking at the Rayburn and the Heartland Artisan ... They are the same damn thing aren't they? how the heck did heartland get away with ripping off rayburn? unless it's some joint effort.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: ramblerboy2 On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:35 pm

Aga/rayburn owns Heartland. The Heartland Artisan is a rebranded Rayburn 300W. The 300W is just a slightly modified 355SFW (Solid fuel/wood). The 355SFW is a boiler model, with a 40-50K btu boiler. Looks like it would be really easy to convert the artisan to burn coal, just remove some flat bars from the top of the shaker grate, from the looks of it.

Would you be allowed to install any hand fired solid fuel stove with no clearance behind? Even the artisan manual indicates pretty standard clearances as you would find for any wood/coal stove. I completely agree, it would be so much nicer to install tight to the wall.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:19 pm

ramblerboy2 wrote:Aga/rayburn owns Heartland. The Heartland Artisan is a rebranded Rayburn 300W. The 300W is just a slightly modified 355SFW (Solid fuel/wood). The 355SFW is a boiler model, with a 40-50K btu boiler. Looks like it would be really easy to convert the artisan to burn coal, just remove some flat bars from the top of the shaker grate, from the looks of it.

Would you be allowed to install any hand fired solid fuel stove with no clearance behind? Even the artisan manual indicates pretty standard clearances as you would find for any wood/coal stove. I completely agree, it would be so much nicer to install tight to the wall.


Wow good info! Didn't someone say it's 9k though?

I know it doesn't meat "code" to put it up against the wall but with the proper airspace between the wall and the proper hardie board, aka cement board and maybe some stone tiling I don't see a problem ...

After I watched the guys I paid put in my liner and remortar my lime cement I realized I could do it all myself and better . Then every two years I go to England and I always see someone's Rayburn up against the wall with maybe an 1" clearance and up against wood at that!

Codes are to protect dumbasses most of the time. They are to cover extreme cases.

My flue opening in the chimney in the kitchen doesn't meet code and the inspected told me I couldn't burn in it... The house was here before e was born so I say that is grandfathered in and I'm going I use it. As far as I'm concerned the house came that way and never changed.


Most people have the same additude in England as well. If it ain't broke don't fix it and if it works then use it. My house isn't big enough to put stoves in the middle of rooms as big brother would like us too.


I went back to the garage and was actually mad that the flue in the zephyr sticks out so far lol. I'm still going to restore it and try it out in the house but that heathland / AGA / Rayburn is why I really want.


Now the question is: would it be cheaper to ship a used Rayburn from the UK to my house or spend it on the local heartland? I must look into that.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:12 am

I continue to advise against Rayburn in the US but you know your needs better than I. If that is the way you wish to go then snap up the Heartland as even at 9K it's a good deal. Frankly I don't know what they were thinking of when they imported it. As they have had it there for many years perhaps they will take an offer. Again I advise do a complete budget of your install. Do you know they should not be moved in one piece but need to be dismantled, then they must be reassembled and unless you have special skills that's an AGA dealer - big bucks - even if you can find someone willing to tackle it as it's an illegal install. To my knowledge no one here can advise you on that one. Vizio the complete project and work the plan as they say this is not trivial as you will find out. Plan for a dump zone that is far away from the area you are trying to A/C in a 100F VA summer day. Don't use the default of a towel rack that's a UK only idea. You are really a pioneer here and pioneers do not generally get the respect they are due but I dunno, it's too rich for my blood and take that from a guy who r e a l l y wants one. However, do I want the stove or do I want the idea of the stove. Not exactly on my bucket list but close. Send lots of photos as we don't have any archives of a Rayburn going in and it would be fun. I can sit around my cozy little Jotul and look at the pretty pics and dream of my childhood. LOL.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:44 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:The main advantage that the Aga and Rayburn have over antique american coal ovens is the shape. The Aga's fit more naturally into a modern kitchen than does an oddly shaped Crawford or Glenwood range. I would prefer a dual-fuel Crawford, but then I would have to make substantial alterations to my kitchen and most wives won't tolerate the look of an antique range, this is why an english range is so popular.


If I had a wife that wouldn't tolerate the looks of an antique range, then she has no business being married to me, cause she would learn to like it or live with it and hate it. But live with it she would.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:00 am

Oh well America isn't great at everything. I haven't found an American cook stove that has caught my eye better than that AGA/RayBurn/heartland ... Dang too many names...

I've said this before but why did Americans want stoves that were so damn flashy? I want rugged and robust and hard edges .

So are there any stoves that can fit in a tight space without more than an 1" gap on the back side that can be had locally other than the ones that are being advised against? I'm listening if there are. Then I can at least have some options. You know when you get that perfect idea in your head? It's like that with these stoves.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:05 am

You know when you get that perfect idea in your head? It's like that with these stoves.


As Eleanor reminded us it takes as much energy to wish as to plan as it's obviously on your bucket list you had better get started. Never crawl into your pine box thinking .... if only. You can't rationalize human nature. This is going to be fun - share with us (pretty please) as you go along. First step inspect the stove yourself or get someone who is a Rayburn expert to do it. Forget pretty catalog pics, I'll bet money it's in pieces already and that is good AS LONG AS IT IS COMPLETE.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:16 am

coalnewbie wrote:
You know when you get that perfect idea in your head? It's like that with these stoves.


As Eleanor reminded us it takes as much energy to wish as to plan as it's obviously on your bucket list you had better get started. Never crawl into your pine box thinking .... if only. You can't rationalize human nature. This is going to be fun - share with us (pretty please) as you go along.


Yea , my wife doesn't care for a cook stove in the first place and I have enough stoves to heat the house just fine. This is my wild idea of living back in time. I think to be honest this is more of a hobby for me than anything but it is also about becoming self sufficient. I am practical in most areas of my life like the old Volvos I drive that will never die and will out live all new cars. :D

We really don't get that bad of winters here. But trust me you will hear about a few American cooks stoves in my house before you hear of a UK one and you may never hear that I bought a rayburn but it's like that ferrari i'll never own. I still want it!

who knows maybe I will like this Zephyr I bought or I could hate it and sell it. it's all worth a shot! :P :D My garage can always use a cook stove!
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:18 am

If I had a wife that wouldn't tolerate the looks of an antique range, then she has no business being married to me, cause she would learn to like it or live with it and hate it. But live with it she would.


Let me guess William, you are single.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - I slay myself.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:22 am

My garage can always use a cook stove!


A $15K garage warmer, what did I do wrong in life? Outta my league but LOL. Hey Martha, is that you in disguise? BTW an old Volvo, now that's a great idea.
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: Smokeyja On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:27 am

hey but seriously I am very interested in cook stoves because I just got into researching the available antique models out there.

What stoves that can be had would have a flush back with the flue coming out of the top? Mentioning the Zephyr before, it has that bump out and then the pipe goes up which causes the stove to be away from the wall by about a foot.

I don't have the luxery of seeing many cook stoves anywhere near me so I need input and pics and specs. The internet is so hard to search on now because everything I type in always brings me to advertisments or something completely unrealated.

I am sometimes Google learning disabled. :o toothy
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Re: KITCHEN RANGES

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:30 am

I am sometimes Google learning disabled.


No you are completely nuts but the world would be a more boring place without coal stove pioneers. Tie up the stove then take a very cheap trip to London UK and drive over to Twyford (near Winchester in Hampshire) cookers - big Rayburn installers (about 80 miles). Talk to them, go look at some installs in peoples homes. You have me on the edge of my seat. Don't be stopped by boring old coalnewbie, he's all washed up anyway - go for it.
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