EPA Waits...

EPA Waits...

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:39 am

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... s-economy/

The EPA is waiting until after the election to institute even more strict regulations.

“The requirements are so strict they virtually eliminate coal as a fuel option for future electric power generation,” the report states. “In a thinly veiled political move, the agency has put off finalizing the proposal until after the election.”

Elect the great pres again and we'll all be breathing clean air while shivering in the cold.

How long before he would make home coal heating illegal too?
Yes, this is Fox News, but where else would you see an article like this? What's next? Severe restrictions on concrete plants? Stop producing lumber?
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:39 am

They wont make make it illegal to heat your house with coal they will just make it more expensive than other means or ban all coal mining.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:13 pm

The end result of all of these regulations will be to remove coal from the market as well as the final result they want. What is that? To force people out of the rural areas and the suburbs to move back into the cities. The environmental left is at war with the freedom to live where you want. If it costs to much to have a decent sized home, have an 8 cylinder car, commute away from the crap hole cities, then you have to live closer to your job.
The left has hated the development of the suburb since the beginning. They hate the idea that you AND your tax money have escaped them and their filthy cities in some degree. They are working hard to fix that.

Regulating coal, making energy expensive and hard to get is part of a much larger picture.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:37 pm

The end result of all of these regulations will be to remove coal from the market as well as the final result they want. What is that? To force people out of the rural areas and the suburbs to move back into the cities. The environmental left is at war with the freedom to live where you want. If it costs to much to have a decent sized home, have an 8 cylinder car, commute away from the crap hole cities, then you have to live closer to your job.
The left has hated the development of the suburb since the beginning. They hate the idea that you AND your tax money have escaped them and their filthy cities in some degree. They are working hard to fix that.


Wow, Someone that believes exactly as I do. I have lived that side of the liberals for years up in the boonies. It is ok for them to live in shackes made out of tarps and crap in buckets and compost it, grow their own dope, lots of asparagus, 12 volts electrics, etc. But they hate the amount of resources we used up just going to town. They are not shy about it. They want whole areas to return to community centers surrounded by farms(organic) and forestry(sustainable) and fishing(rowboats and hooks). The railroads need to be rebuilt in that region to bring in basic needs from city manufacturing areas and take out raw materials(wood & fish). The plan has been around for years, put forth by a Harvard professor years ago. Don't remember his name.

Kevin
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:49 pm

KLook wrote:
The end result of all of these regulations will be to remove coal from the market as well as the final result they want. What is that? To force people out of the rural areas and the suburbs to move back into the cities. The environmental left is at war with the freedom to live where you want. If it costs to much to have a decent sized home, have an 8 cylinder car, commute away from the crap hole cities, then you have to live closer to your job.
The left has hated the development of the suburb since the beginning. They hate the idea that you AND your tax money have escaped them and their filthy cities in some degree. They are working hard to fix that.


Wow, Someone that believes exactly as I do. I have lived that side of the liberals for years up in the boonies. It is ok for them to live in shackes made out of tarps and crap in buckets and compost it, grow their own dope, lots of asparagus, 12 volts electrics, etc. But they hate the amount of resources we used up just going to town. They are not shy about it. They want whole areas to return to community centers surrounded by farms(organic) and forestry(sustainable) and fishing(rowboats and hooks). The railroads need to be rebuilt in that region to bring in basic needs from city manufacturing areas and take out raw materials(wood & fish). The plan has been around for years, put forth by a Harvard professor years ago. Don't remember his name.

Kevin


People need to understand the mindset of the Left. It's not enough that they live the way they want to, you have to be forced to their way as well. If you protest or disagree then you are to be controlled or eradicated. Make no mistake about it.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: Dann757 On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:06 pm

wsherrick wrote:People need to understand the mindset of the Left.


Know your enemy :D What kind of mindset would lead a person to seek employment at the EPA? Liberal mindset.



I'm not a psychotic right wing fanatic or greedy industrialist that wants to destroy the environment. Of course there should be some regulations. This is getting way too extreme, though.

I have a little more respect for the tree humpers way out in the woods that actually want to live primitive with zero carbon footprint. They just don't understand the big picture with close to 7 billion people on Earth.
The neo-libs are the hypocrytes, they drive a Prius for show and status and then call a guy with an F350 and a plow when they need their driveway snow removed. :D

I don't know if this is an agency that has gone berserk or part of a bigger plan to take down our standard of living.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:14 pm

It baffles me how the most abundant energy resource in the USA is being legislated out of existence. Average Joe can't afford alternative energy, and without massive tax incentives and/or subsidies neither can most of the middle class, right up to the upper middle class. That makes alternative energy totally unrealistic as an alternative at the present time. Sacrificing the affordable for the unaffordable, while the world stands at the precipice of global economic collapse, doesn't sound like a plan, it sounds like insanity.

"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master."
Ayn Rand
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:56 pm

wsherrick wrote:The end result of all of these regulations will be to remove coal from the market as well as the final result they want. What is that? To force people out of the rural areas and the suburbs to move back into the cities. The environmental left is at war with the freedom to live where you want. If it costs to much to have a decent sized home, have an 8 cylinder car, commute away from the crap hole cities, then you have to live closer to your job.
The left has hated the development of the suburb since the beginning. They hate the idea that you AND your tax money have escaped them and their filthy cities in some degree. They are working hard to fix that.

Regulating coal, making energy expensive and hard to get is part of a much larger picture.


*Cough*Agenda 21*cough*
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: Berlin On: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:06 pm

lsayre wrote:It baffles me how the most abundant energy resource in the USA is being legislated out of existence. Average Joe can't afford alternative energy, and without massive tax incentives and/or subsidies neither can most of the middle class, right up to the upper middle class. That makes alternative energy totally unrealistic as an alternative at the present time. Sacrificing the affordable for the unaffordable, while the world stands at the precipice of global economic collapse, doesn't sound like a plan, it sounds like insanity.

"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master."
Ayn Rand


I've thought for a few years now that these (seeminly innocuous and yet inneffective at their stated goal) firewood transportation bans, reporting of source etc. are a good way for the gov't to get a handle on- and later increasingly regulate - a well known source of energy that allows many to achieve some independence in their lives.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:00 am

I hear you Berlin - it also FULLY explains the push for failure-prone electronics in our lights, & automobiles - all in the name of "clean air".

One EMP and your instantly transported to the year 1700 in terms of technology -- your cars won't run - you REALLY will be walking uphill, both ways in the rain, to the grocery store .. if there's anything even there when you get there - you'll be using candles for light, and all your reading material will be vaporized .. since you loved those Kindles so much. Then the unprepared masses will cry out to the government, "HELP MEEE!".

That moment heralds the end of The Constitution. From that point forward, the only god will be Government .... and we will go back 300 years in an instant, becoming the country so many fought and died for independence from.

The EPA works hard every day to make that situation a reality. This isn't about, nor has it ever been about "clean air" ....
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:15 pm

http://epa.gov/carbonpollutionstandard/ ... tsheet.pdf

• The proposal would not apply to:


o New power plant units that have permits and start construction within 12
months of this proposal; or units looking to renew permits that are part of
Department of Energy demonstration project, provided that these units st
construction within 12 months of this proposal. These units are called
“transitional” units.


The proposal date is March 27, 2012
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:26 pm

Would someone please explain CCS (Carbon Capture and Storage). Whatever it is, it doesn't sound economical or practical.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:28 pm

If it's devised & run by the government, you can count on it being NEITHER.
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Re: EPA Waits...

PostBy: Dann757 On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:50 pm

lsayre wrote:Would someone please explain CCS (Carbon Capture and Storage). Whatever it is, it doesn't sound economical or practical.


EPA: You can't burn coal anymore
USA: Why?
EPA: We just declared CO2 a pollutant.
USA: OK, We'll put the CO2 in the ground.
EPA: NO, we might run out of things to make your life harder.
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PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:18 pm

Dann757 wrote:EPA: NO, we might run out of things to make your life harder.

I'm reminded of this with every "check engine light" I see and deal with. :mad:

What makes me even MORE furious is the states have the power to take the sting out of this pesky and USELESS system on cars today, but some ( MA for example ... ) choose not to. :mad3:
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