Third Debate

jpete wrote:We both know the popular myth is the great and mighty Americans forced the evil Ruskies to blink but the reality is they removed their missiles from Cuba and we removed our missiles from Turkey.

It was a mutually beneficial agreement.

Another mutual benefit, admittedly minor, was that the human race was not bombed off the planet. As the story goes, there were military people advising Kennedy, and presumably some advising Khrushchev, who recommended letting the nukes fly.

EarthWindandFire wrote:... Romneycare and Obamacare ... You have to keep in mind that Governor Romney passed his plan in a bipartisan manner, whereas President Obama had no need to placate Republicans because he controlled the votes by a huge margin and then some.

Unfortunately, there were enough low-life bought-and-paid-for Democrats along with low-life bought-and-paid-for Republicans, that President Obama really did NOT control the votes except by the narrowest of margins. A couple critical votes in the Senate passed only because Republican Olympia Snowe, from my state of Maine, voted with the Democrats. It was not because she was happy with the bill, far from it, but the alternative was to let it die completely and she went with the lesser of two evils. A truly responsible Congress, not kowtowing to the money interests, would have passed a much better bill.

Dann757 wrote:Kennedy made Kruchev back down when we were on the brink of nuclear war. Remember? It's because Kruchev knew our ICBM's could be prepared faster due to superior technology.

Khrushchev knew no such thing -- there was plenty of fire power on both sides to send us all back to the Stone Age. In fact, once both sides were confronted with the crisis, historians give Khrushchev credit for not doing the macho chest-pounding gorilla thing, and for helping engineer an agreement that de-escalated and saved face on both sides. If not, most of us would not be here today, and those that were would be eating wild berries and termites and living in teepees.

and those that were would be eating wild berries and termites and living in teepees.

Many days the above sounds a whole lot better than the daily grind. Assuming we aren't growng a third eye and arm from the fallout. Besides... I kind of like yurts.....

Dann757 wrote:

jpete wrote:Dan just invited me to his house! He said he'd treat me like a king......Rodney King!

Snore.

W.W.R.P.D.

Shrug his shoulders at your ignorance and then try to educate you despite overwhelming odds?

Why don't you tell me. You seem to know everything about everything and never hesitate to set me straight.

jpete wrote:You seem to know everything about everything and never hesitate to set me straight.

Take a step back and see yourself typing away at your keyboard in front of your monitor. With the intent of provocation, or impulsive vengeance at a percieved slight. I engage in the same behavior which represents intellectual laziness. I hope we can bring it up a notch.

Remember, great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about things, small minds talk about people.

When the conversation degenerates into petty reply/revenge, it's not beneficial to either party.

Here's why: Countering someone's negativity with your positivity doesn't work because it's argumentative. People don't like to be emotionally contradicted and if you try to convince them that they shouldn't feel something, they'll only feel it more stubbornly. And if you're a leader trying to be positive, it comes off even worse because you'll appear out of touch and aloof to the reality that people are experiencing.
The other instinctive approach — confronting someone's negativity with your own negativity — doesn't work because it's addictive. Your negative reaction to their negative reaction simply adds fuel to the fire. Negativity breeds negativity.

I can post a Utube video exposing Obama's lies and propaganda, there's other videos castigating Romney. What good would it do.

I'm preparing myself to restrain my exhuberance if Romney wins, and combat the feeling of malaise and defeat of the constitution and American values if Obama wins. I'm anti-Obama because he is anti-American.

What good would it do would be to show what miserable choices both Obama and Romney are.

I've asked many Romney supporters and as yet haven't got an answer.

How do you know WHICH Romney you'll get?

He's been on all sides of every issue. What makes you confident he won't pull a fast one on you?

The only thing I feel confident about with Romney is that no matter what happens he is going to make more money to invest off shore. The only reason is to hide money, avoid tax & show your lack of faith in the American system & then you want to vote for such an American businessman who's business was making money off of others using others money. There is a list of Bain controlled businesses that survived & most now produce overseas, his bragging rights seem to be about Office Depot or such but go in one & try & find American made products (few & far between)& I would venture to guess that not many of the employees are able to live in luxury, own new expensive cars or even have health insurance.

Not voting for another 4 years of Obama. His failure and expansion of the welfare class is unacceptable.

Sam

Just curious but how much money do you think a person that stocks shelves in a retail store should make? How much in your world is that job worth?

jpete wrote:y are.

I've asked many Romney supporters and as yet haven't got an answer.

How do you know WHICH Romney you'll get?

I already know what Obama will do. Romney understands economics. One statement that really stood out was when Romney stated to Obama about giving money to these solar and wind companies selectively doesn't give other companies any incentive to develop the same technology on there own dime. They figure how could they compete when other companies get the money for free.
That happened with us 2 yrs ago, all the wood and pellet stoves had these taxpayer paid rebates that I helped pay for with my taxes. And coal had none. I understand it was for renewable energy but the federal government should not be subsidizing private industries unless it is done fairly and across the board. Personally i feel they should stay out of it. I feel Romney understands this as well.
The other is Romney is for coal and domestic energy. That will create JOBS here in the US and good paying ones at that,which this country needs. Obamas plan of taking from the rich and giving to the poor is a lousy thought process that should not be enforced at the federal level. I am not opposed to people who need it getting help but I am opposed to the people who don't even try to help themselves.
Romney has proven himself as gov of Mass and even while working at Bain. If you really look into his record with a open mind he does know how to get things done and working.

Ronald Reagan understood to his core what Barack Obama has not only never accepted but rejects out of hand based on both his actions as a private citizen and president: that socialism is now and has always been a failed philosophy. Obama, as well documented from his days at Occidental College to today -- is a now (if belatedly) well-documented socialist true believer. To believe that the Obama presidency will end in other than utter failure is to believe that a man who has spent an adult lifetime disbelieving in gravity will survive a leap from the Empire State Building because he's suddenly muttering incantations from Newton on the way down. President Obama will go the way of President Carter, serving a one-term presidency and then living a life of early-morning talk show appearances and writing books full of vitriol about the current president. What ever you might think about George W Bush, he has kept his opinion about President Obama largely to himself. I doubt that Barack Obama will do the same for President Romney!

1$, that's what I am pointing out, for the most part as far as I looked the only jobs & businesses he saved were low end minimum wage (except naturally management) the for instance steel working jobs were the ones traded off & used for leverage. Can't remember for sure which bathroom fixture Co. (maybe standard) but Bain helped them more all those jobs to China

Sam

Again, how much money do you think a person that stocks shelves in a retail store should make? How much in your world is that job worth?

Once again, those low end (as you call them) jobs aren't worth much more than min.wage, & the thing is those are the only jobs he saves for the most part. Granted those are needed & welcome jobs but it's really hard to raise a family on that. He calls himself a jobs creator but what kind of jobs & where? here's a list of Bains investments, how many produce products in our country, did & do no longer or never did? http://www.baincapitalprivateequity.com/investments