Third Debate

Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:48 pm

Dann757 wrote:The thing is, Romney is WAY lesser of two evils. your parents, your grandpartents, their parents, all had a higher standard of living under the free enterprise system. .


We haven't had a free market in at least a century if we ever did.

I don't care that Romney made a lot of money, I just have no confidence that he will allow anyone else to do the same.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:51 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, if you'll notice I said at that time, inflation was running rampant & the dollar was in bad shape. Wouldn't be any good now but might have helped then, you'll also notice that there were so many exclusions added that we will never know if it had a chance or not. At the very least it was a plan, unlike the secret 5 point plan that says what it will hopefully do but fails to mention any hows. Now today I heard he had a secret meeting with a group of gays ( log cabin somethings) & walked away with an endorsement from them for a promise of a future draft pick, the man is good at promising everything to everyone.


I'm pretty sure Castro didn't put in any loopholes and it didn't work out so well for most Cubans.

Wage and price controls don't work, have never worked, and will never work. Not today, not in the 70's nor any time in the past or future.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:06 am

OK Jpete I get the point that you don't like it but I will say that Castro had a bit of a problem with even getting supplies for some odd reason, not at all like the U.S..
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:06 pm

How does having access to supplies make anything different?

If you can only charge $10,000 for a car that costs $20,000 to produce, it won't take long before supplies dry up. No blockade needed.

And if people only make $10,000 a year, no one is buying cars anyway.

That the words "wage and price controls" rolled off your tongue in any manner other than derisively tells me you don't understand how the economy functions and you really shouldn't be offering opinions. Someone might take you seriously.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:44 pm

As usual your totally right Jpete, sorry I said anything have a good day wallowing in your self righteousness your opinion is the only one that counts as usual I want to grow up to be just like you. ;)
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:59 pm

jpete wrote:We haven't had a free market in at least a century if we ever did.

I don't care that Romney made a lot of money, I just have no confidence that he will allow anyone else to do the same.


Well maybe you haven't, but I participate in a free market every day and so do millions of other Americans.

Fine, why don't you vote for Roseanne then.

jpete wrote:you don't understand how the economy functions and you really shouldn't be offering opinions.


Isn't that odd, I thought you were a proponent of the Constitution and the first Ammendment.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:25 pm

Dann757 wrote:
jpete wrote:We haven't had a free market in at least a century if we ever did.

I don't care that Romney made a lot of money, I just have no confidence that he will allow anyone else to do the same.


Well maybe you haven't, but I participate in a free market every day and so do millions of other Americans.

Fine, why don't you vote for Roseanne then.

jpete wrote:you don't understand how the economy functions and you really shouldn't be offering opinions.


Isn't that odd, I thought you were a proponent of the Constitution and the first Ammendment.


You think you participate in a free market, but you don't. There are government controls on every portion of the market. They even have Sam's price controls on many things. It's working out wonderfully isn't it?

And isn't it odd that you say you follow the Constitution but don't know that it limits the GOVERNMENT, not the PEOPLE.

Congress can't make a law preventing Sam from talking about things he only marginally understands but I, thankfully, am under no such requirement. And I was just making a suggestion. I haven't prevented him from saying anything.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:27 pm

samhill wrote:As usual your totally right Jpete, sorry I said anything have a good day wallowing in your self righteousness your opinion is the only one that counts as usual I want to grow up to be just like you. ;)


C'mon Sam. You don't hesitate to tell me what you think, why would you expect any different treatment?

You and Dan don't want a discussion anyway. You just want to argue. I'm just giving you what you want.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:23 pm

Jpete, I think you got that back-a$$-ward.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:31 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, I think you got that back-a$$-ward.


Think so?

OK, let's go with facts.

Is a government mandated minimum wage a "wage control"?

Is a government mandated milk price a "price control"

Is a government mandate to use only Federal Reserve Notes as "money" that has it's "price" arbitrarily controlled both a wage AND price control?

How about a law that says even if you REFRAIN from entering the market you are affecting the market and therefore the government can control transactions that haven't occurred?

Maybe you and Dan can explain to me how all that and more adds up to a "free market". Or we can go back to calling each other names. Your choice.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: SteveZee On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:14 pm

plumb-r wrote:In the 2nd debate it was Obama the said that he wanted to renew the old ban on "assualt type weapons. Romney said a ban was not needed. :)


Yeah this time around. the problem is you never know where he'll be next time, on anything.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:26 pm

SteveZee wrote:Yeah this time around. the problem is you never know where he'll be next time, on anything.


Not to escalate, it's the undecideds that will have an impact on the outcome. Your choice, social justice nanny state or return to prosperity.

jpete wrote:You and Dan don't want a discussion anyway. You just want to argue.


Sometimes, sure, yet you keep on arguing too.

jpete wrote:You think you participate in a free market, but you don't. There are government controls on every portion of the market.


Maybe you prefer Russia or China or Venezuela. Name one government control that restricts me in any way from doing business as a sole proprietor of my handyman service.
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:56 pm

Do you use Federal Reserve Notes in that handyman business?

Do you pay the government for the right to work?
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:36 pm

jpete wrote:Do you pay the government for the right to work?



This is one tax that really gets my blood boiling!!!!! :mad:
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Re: Third Debate

PostBy: Dann757 On: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:59 pm

Dann757 wrote:Name one government control that restricts me in any way from doing business as a sole proprietor of my handyman service.


Answer the question. Not with another question.
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