Sandy

Re: Sandy

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:14 am

I wrote my representative and added a copy of that news article. They think the state has problems now? What's going to happen when the gas stations officially run out of fuel? They need to get the electric back up so the gas stations without power but still have gas can start operating. It may not fix the problems but it'll definitely help to alleviate some of them. The gas station I've been going to for the past two days in NY has finally hit bottom, my wife went there this morning to fill her car so she could go to work and she waited in line for an hour. The state needs to set aside their stupid politics and allow whomever wants to come in and help in to help. Turning crews away for something as stupid and trivial as whether or not they are unionized is *censored* retarded.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:16 am

For those dealing with power outages, something to think about that I had forgot until we got our power back on and I heard the high level alarm!

If your septic system has a pump tank like ours to get the liquid up to the drain field, you may need to hook that pump up to your generator feed!

It's something I had thought about in the past as being necessary to hook up to the generator occasionally, but forgot to do this past week. I guess I forgot to take that herbal stuff to help me remember these kinds of things. I realized it as soon as I heard the high level alarm in the basement when our power came back on. It wasn't anywhere close to overflowing, but another week without power and that end of the yard would have been fertilized!
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:21 am

titleist1 wrote:For those dealing with power outages, something to think about that I had forgot until we got our power back on and I heard the high level alarm!

If your septic system has a pump tank like ours to get the liquid up to the drain field, you may need to hook that pump up to your generator feed!

It's something I had thought about in the past as being necessary to hook up to the generator occasionally, but forgot to do this past week. I guess I forgot to take that herbal stuff to help me remember these kinds of things. I realized it as soon as I heard the high level alarm in the basement when our power came back on. It wasn't anywhere close to overflowing, but another week without power and that end of the yard would have been fertilized!


Mine was tied into the generator when the septic was put in last year. Its one of the main reasons I was running my generator 24 hours. But, with the difficulty of finding fuel now I'm done to running the generator a few hours in the morning and a few at night before bed. Rest of the time, it's off.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:30 am

There are many advantages to having a generator that runs on propane or natural gas. Availablility is certainly high on the list. Like titleist1, I've got a 1K tank. I don't have to worry if the local gas station can pump gas. Also due to the ethanol in gas now days, it just doesn't last nor is it safe to keep large quantities of gas on hand. Even if your local gas station has gas and has power on, maybe you won't be able to get there. Flooded roads, snow drifted roads, icy roads etc. I feel alot better with everything I need on hand.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:31 am

I'm On Fire wrote:I wrote my representative and added a copy of that news article. They think the state has problems now? What's going to happen when the gas stations officially run out of fuel? They need to get the electric back up so the gas stations without power but still have gas can start operating. It may not fix the problems but it'll definitely help to alleviate some of them. The gas station I've been going to for the past two days in NY has finally hit bottom, my wife went there this morning to fill her car so she could go to work and she waited in line for an hour. The state needs to set aside their stupid politics and allow whomever wants to come in and help in to help. Turning crews away for something as stupid and trivial as whether or not they are unionized is *censored* retarded.


As I said, I drove to Hoboken yesterday. It is a war zone. People wandering the streets like mindless zombies with nothing to do and nowhere to go. Stupid city people. I have no respect for the urban creature. I saw a news story where people are digging through dumpsters to find food because they can not use their foodstamp cards with no power and the store shelves are empty anyhow. Violence at gas stations a cold front coming with much colder weather in a day or two.

This is is icing on the cake, Your Union stupid thugs are turning away help from others states because they are non union. Just let that sink in for a minute.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:47 am

Also due to the ethanol in gas now days


That is one of the things that amazed me here in Tenn. There are more stations pumping REAL gas then ones pumping ethanol. I thought it was a nationwide thing the environuts did to us. Seems there is some common sense left in places. If nothing else, at least you can get it to store and buy it for small engines and such. They didn't even give you that option in the NE.

Kevin
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: 009to090 On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:43 pm

If you have a single cyl gas genny, just install one of these conversion kits. It allows you to run on Gas/propane/nat gas.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Generator-Portable-Propane-Natural-Gas-Tri-Fuel-Kit-/221147234278?pt=BI_Generators&hash=item337d66ffe6
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Generator Portable Propane Natural Gas Tri-Fuel Kit
2-10 kW: Honda, Yamaha, B&S, Generac & many more!


You send them the carb off your generator, they do the modifications then send it back to you.
Last edited by 009to090 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:03 pm

Interesting conversion kit! Looks like you send them your carb for the retrofit? I may get that for the current genny at some point but I will still be getting a propane generator with a larger capacity and key start rather than pull start.

Pull starting that 11hp is a little tough when its real cold and the oil is stiff - My spousal unit complains that it hurts her shoulder :!:
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Mark (PA) On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:01 pm

From what I have read on the whole non union / Union crew not able to work in NJ.

Would appear it was more of a misunderstanding by that crew/crew leader than it was anyone specifically telling them they were not permitted to work in NJ... At least from the info I have read on it.

From a news source I was reading ""
From the non Union crew leader:
"“It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas,” he said Friday.

While waiting for clarification, Decatur Utilities learned Seaside Heights had received the assistance it needed. Decatur Utilities attempted to contact other areas that needed assistance, but decided Thursday to bring its crew home based on the uncertainty of union requirements, Hardin said.

IBEW spokesman Jim Spellane said he did not know what papers the crew was given, but “there appears to have been a misunderstanding.”

He said the papers may have dealt with a requirement that crews are paid the prevailing wage in the area where they are working. In New Jersey, where electrical workers are heavily unionized, that wage is set by collective bargaining.

IBEW President Ed Hill said in Washington, “It is the policy of this union and the companies we represent to welcome assistance during major natural disasters — regardless of union status.”

Ron Morano, a spokesman for Jersey Central Power & Light, which serves Seaside Heights, said non-union crews are helping restore power, and the union knows it is all hands on deck.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said the Alabama crew got “bad information” and non-union crews are welcomed in the recovery effort.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:10 pm

So, it's about being paid vs getting the power back on. Who gets paid what. Typical. I see it everyday at my job.
This is a publicity black eye for the Garden State and it had to be fixed quickly.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:39 am

It's *censored* retarded is what it is.

My wife just told me they are starting to institute the odd and even license plates and odd and even days at the gas stations. Welcome to the 1970's.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:00 am

I'm On Fire wrote:It's *censored* retarded is what it is.

My wife just told me they are starting to institute the odd and even license plates and odd and even days at the gas stations. Welcome to the 1970's.



I just heard that on the news, how is this going to help people get fuel for generators?
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:00 am

Mark (PA) wrote:From what I have read on the whole non union / Union crew not able to work in NJ.

Would appear it was more of a misunderstanding by that crew/crew leader than it was anyone specifically telling them they were not permitted to work in NJ... At least from the info I have read on it.

From a news source I was reading ""
From the non Union crew leader:
"“It was and remains our understanding that agreeing to those requirements was a condition of being allowed to work in those areas,” he said Friday.

While waiting for clarification, Decatur Utilities learned Seaside Heights had received the assistance it needed. Decatur Utilities attempted to contact other areas that needed assistance, but decided Thursday to bring its crew home based on the uncertainty of union requirements, Hardin said.

IBEW spokesman Jim Spellane said he did not know what papers the crew was given, but “there appears to have been a misunderstanding.”

He said the papers may have dealt with a requirement that crews are paid the prevailing wage in the area where they are working. In New Jersey, where electrical workers are heavily unionized, that wage is set by collective bargaining.

IBEW President Ed Hill said in Washington, “It is the policy of this union and the companies we represent to welcome assistance during major natural disasters — regardless of union status.”

Ron Morano, a spokesman for Jersey Central Power & Light, which serves Seaside Heights, said non-union crews are helping restore power, and the union knows it is all hands on deck.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said the Alabama crew got “bad information” and non-union crews are welcomed in the recovery effort.


From my union experience, I'd say one of the crews took the AL guys aside and let them know how things were. The AL crew, not being used to such attempted intimidation, took them seriously.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: I'm On Fire On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:54 am

Flyer5 wrote:
I'm On Fire wrote:It's *censored* retarded is what it is.

My wife just told me they are starting to institute the odd and even license plates and odd and even days at the gas stations. Welcome to the 1970's.



I just heard that on the news, how is this going to help people get fuel for generators?


Yeah, it's not. I like the idea of having a tanker truck just filling cars and *censored* directly from it.

Pretty soon we're going to have Mogadishu type events here. Us military supply drops to the people then warlords sweep in and take it for themselves. Those in control at this point need to get a handle on this before it turns real ugly. Or uglier tgan it already is. There have been reports of at least one shooting in Paterson, NJ over gas and a stabbing in Sparta, NJ over gas.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: steamup On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:02 pm

"Free Gas" triggers rush. - Then the public has to wait, First Responders get first crack at gas. What idiot politician had to open his mouth to state "free gas. Of couse the first responders need first crack at the gas. The politicians need to keep their mouth's shut. (impossible for them of course, they are trying to score future votes). Talk about inciting a riot. People feel desperate and are going to rush to get the free gas.
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