Sandy

Re: Sandy

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:15 pm

wsherrick wrote:
As I said, I drove to Hoboken yesterday. It is a war zone. People wandering the streets like mindless zombies with nothing to do and nowhere to go. Stupid city people. I have no respect for the urban creature. I saw a news story where people are digging through dumpsters to find food because they can not use their foodstamp cards with no power and the store shelves are empty anyhow. Violence at gas stations a cold front coming with much colder weather in a day or two.

This is is icing on the cake, Your Union stupid thugs are turning away help from others states because they are non union. Just let that sink in for a minute.


A sad commentary on today's society. :|
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:23 pm

... And Bloomberg had three, 400kw generators running a press tent for the stupid Marathon until he got a dose of reality from the public. What kind of *censored* does that???? And more importantly, what kind of *censored* vote for this *censored*??? :roll:
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:24 pm

Yea, I wanna know that too!
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:59 pm

People wandering the streets like mindless zombies


There ya go. They outnumber the country folk.

Kevin
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:02 pm

Ahhh .. that explains the voters .... :idea:
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:15 pm

"Mindless zombies" :D
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Yanche On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:39 pm

I would suggest one of the lessons learned from Sandy would be to require gas stations to be generator power capable. It certainly wouldn't be that much more costly during new construction to have a generator connection to power pumps, sales registers and some lights. During an emergency, generators could be brought in and quickly make the station operable. The requirement could be accomplished by building construction/permit regulations.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:51 pm

I can tell you exactly how that would go down in MA:

Long story short: There would be a public hearing on it ..... the NIMBY's (Not In My BackYard) will come out in full-force, voicing opposition. They will join forces with the enviro-nazis, who will demonize the noise & "pollution" from the generators. The EPA will get involved, requiring catalysts & EVAP systems, pushing the cost of the generator above what the station can afford. The oil companies will provide no help. The station will give up and we're back to square one, crucifying the electric company for forces out of their control.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: ONEDOLLAR On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:13 am

Smitty

That is EXACTLY how it would play out. EXACTLY. No question about it. I can see the literal shitstorm now and the collective weeping and gnashing of teeth over simple common sense.

If by some chance the idea was "approved" there of course would be "approved vendors" for said generators. Meaning 1 approved vendor. And you know damn well the product said approved vendor would sell would not work once needed. I am sure a requirement for the generators to operate would be that they must be powered by alternate energy as well. Wind and or Solar.

For those of you who might doubt this scenerio I can only hope you might be right. Sadly this is MA.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: wsherrick On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:19 am

The easiest way to solve such a problem is, when a storm like this is forecasted like this one was well in advance. Get ready for it. Stock up. Expect the worst and hope for the best. There is nothing you can do to help the mindless hordes, hypnotized by their little electric pocket friends. After this is all over they will return to life as normal and live as nothing happened and no lessons will be learned.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:21 am

Absolutely, Will. That's always been my mindset. Like I said in an earlier post: How were we even born when our grandparents & great-grandparents had no government to help them with ANYTHING? ........ Exactly. ;)




ONEDOLLAR wrote:Smitty

That is EXACTLY how it would play out. EXACTLY. No question about it. I can see the literal shitstorm now and the collective weeping and gnashing of teeth over simple common sense.

If by some chance the idea was "approved" there of course would be "approved vendors" for said generators. Meaning 1 approved vendor. And you know damn well the product said approved vendor would sell would not work once needed. I am sure a requirement for the generators to operate would be that they must be powered by alternate energy as well. Wind and or Solar.

For those of you who might doubt this scenerio I can only hope you might be right. Sadly this is MA.

Oh and don't forget the added permits for the privilege of running the generator the station owns! Then, mandatory yearly inspections to make sure purple unicorns don't get lung cancer. Thousands of dollars a month, straight to the state to be wasted on those who wouldn't work anyway. :sick:

I sure hope things start to change around here ...... :|
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Short Bus On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:25 am

Generators to run the pumps and billing system, only the people with money could get gas.
What about all the perscription drugs that were destroyed in this, who is taking care of that.
Grocery stores should have generators for thier refrigeration, they let precious food get destroyed in an emergency, again only people with money could get food.
I don't belive more rules help.
If I had a station, I'd be breaking into my panel and powering up with whatever generator I could get, if I could get one, but the national franchise is not going to like it, and I'm going to want to get paid for it. People that take risks and modify comercial power services are not everywhere anymore.
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:28 am

I hear you there, Short Bus.

I was just talking with the wife about the supermarket not having a gen on hand after she told me how they were clearing shelves and filling up a 30-yard dumpster with spoiled food .... :x
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: RAYJAY On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:18 pm

SMITTY wrote:I hear you there, Short Bus.

I was just talking with the wife about the supermarket not having a gen on hand after she told me how they were clearing shelves and filling up a 30-yard dumpster with spoiled food .... :x


the supermarket not having a generator all comes down to $$$$$$ if it saved the corporation money then they would do it, the corporation more or likely made more with the insurance on the product and loss of profit with the storm, so with out regulation in place making the stores have some type of backup power it will never happen, but rember corporation's are people too....... :up:
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Re: Sandy

PostBy: Davian On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:31 pm

SMITTY wrote:I hear you there, Short Bus.

I was just talking with the wife about the supermarket not having a gen on hand after she told me how they were clearing shelves and filling up a 30-yard dumpster with spoiled food .... :x


Like he said, its a money thing. Supermarkets operate on a very thin profit margin...typically in the 1-2% net range. The cost of a generator is not worth it for them. A standby generator that size has significant annual costs even if you ignore the initial installation cost that would run in the $100-200 K range depending on the type of backup fuel you go with. If you go with Diesel, you'd still be screwed at this point due to the lack of available fuel. If you go with LP or natural gas, you're looking at a significant increase in initial cost and even just the footprint that the generator will take up.
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