Got the Word Today: No Coal

Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: smokeyCityTeacher On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:37 am

This is opposite of my aged parents. When I go to their farm I sometimes have to camp out with the dogs in the WINTER because the inside temp is 85 degrees.
I love the cold - so do my dogs. Can we move in with your folks ?

Hey at least you are keeping a sense of humor.


NoSmoke wrote:Yep, I got the word straight from my domestic supervisor (wife); no burning coal when her mother and father stays over in two weeks. I told her I already put the sign up on the door, "No Menopausal People Allowed."

As I type this, I am in the farthest room away from the coal stove, and it is a cool 76 degrees in here. Out in the kitchen...I have no idea how hot it is, but our butter, which typically is left in a butter tub on a shelf, has long melted into a puddle of oil, and we use real salted butter!! The floor in front of the stove is barely tolerable with bare feet, and I literally was breaking a sweat while eating supper...which is a room removed from the stove.

I told the wife, just as long as my hand is on that coal stove door, YOU WON"T BE COLD!

But in two weeks her parents will be staying with us, and they have oil heat. They also have little money and have yet to turn their heat on this season...they live in New Hampshire in the North Country. When they do, they set the thermostat at 62 degrees. When we go to their place in the winter...we FREEZE. I asked her last time if it would be rude to bring an electric heater, electric blanket and extra blankets with us? She said it would be. I am thinking they need to get a coal stove, stop paying 2 grand in oil, and be comfortable...or at least go the other way like me and have the house hotter than hades!
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: SteveZee On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:39 am

Richard S. wrote:
Rob R. wrote:Melted butter? Maybe you could back it down a little?


Truthfully that warm would drive me nuts. I like it right around 70 and wouldn't have an issue with 60 even during the day.


Same here. 70 downstairs is great and 60's up is about perfect for me. I'm still throwing the covers off some nights. Prefer a cooler sleep.
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:54 am

You & me both on that one SZ. :discuss:
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:00 am

Are your windows nailed shut? That is waaaay to hot for me, also. Just a thought.....no need to snuggle up when it's a Miami 90 degrees all the time. Perhaps you are missing out on some of the finer things in life.
I'm thinking that the Space Station can see a heat plume in your area just from the Global Warming efforts on your part. I assume you wear no clothes in those temps; perhaps that is the in-law issue....... :idea:
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:15 am

whistlenut wrote:Are your windows nailed shut? That is waaaay to hot for me, also. Just a thought.....no need to snuggle up when it's a Miami 90 degrees all the time. Perhaps you are missing out on some of the finer things in life.
I'm thinking that the Space Station can see a heat plume in your area just from the Global Warming efforts on your part. I assume you wear no clothes in those temps; perhaps that is the in-law issue....... :idea:


Whistlenut - you are so funny - you remind me of my early years burning coal. The neighbors had always thought we were a bit strange but seeing us running around in tank tops and shorts in the dead of winter convinced them of it.

Nosmoke - Yep, you need to back of on the air just a tad. Not only will you be more comfortable around the house, I bet you'd save a lot on the amount of coal you're burning. That savings equals money in your pocket. Good luck, Lisa
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:41 pm

whistlenut wrote:I assume you wear no clothes in those temps; perhaps that is the in-law issue.......


:lol:
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:14 pm

Back in the early 70's when we were running the ole Itasca WC415, the boiler was in the basement.......and 48 hrs after it was fired;( which just so happens to be about 42 years ago today) folks were asking how the 'coal' was working out, and yes, the windows were open 24/7 until we got the hang of it. That boiler and the tankless paid for themselves in the first winter....coal was $58 a ton delivered as I remember and oil was about $1.85.....Arab Oil embargo days. 1850 gallons previously, 5 tons of coal.......hmmmmm heat loss??????? Never looked back, still don't.

Respect the in=laws, they probably think you are an idiot, and you are giving them good cause it seems.......you DON'T have to be this way: smile, relax enjoy the company, after all, it is THEIR daughter you are living with. I promise, it won't kill you. Think of the money you will save on melted butter alone!!! :idea: :shock: :roll:

PS: I noticed that they are from up north in my state, please give them my info, and I'll help them out. We take care of our own, especially if you are a vet or family of one.
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:57 pm

JamesDeanMartin wrote:That would be the day I would let anybody tell me how to heat my house.


Unless I read the original post wrong,
the inlaws are not telling him how to heat his house.
His wife made the suggestion..... :?

Dan
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:10 pm

whistlenut wrote:Back in the early 70's <snip> ....coal was $58 a ton delivered as I remember and oil was about $1.85.....



I think you've been living to good on coal for too long, Whistler!!

$1.85!!?? :woot:
I don't live too far from you, and I think in the early/mid 70's
it was about $.35
Gas was $.50

Fuel oil didn't hit near 2 bucks till around 2005.

Dan
(still haven't touched it off yet... too warm! howboutyou?)
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:28 am

I think a lot of it right now is the time of year. I have a small house (3200 square feet) and while it is a small Vogelzang pot bellied stove, I have always outdid myself on insulating this place, so it is pretty air tight and draft free. You can pretty much heat the place with a candle.

Right now I have been firing the stove up on the colder mornings, just to take the chill off and drive the dampness that Tropical Storm Sandy brought these last few days. Typically I get up early (it is 3:05 AM as I type this) and get the stove fired up at 04:30 AM so that it is warm when the kids get up. I use about 4 shovelfuls of coal; a shovel full being one of those little black tin shovels used for fireplaces...maybe 2-3 pounds of coal I am guessing. Not much anyway, just because it is easier to get coal to light then the firewood I have. Anyway by 6:30 AM the house is warm enough, and if I want to keep the fire going, I've been adding firewood as needed, but typically by 9 AM I let the fire go out and the house stays warm enough all day. If it is a little chilly at 18:00, I might fire up the stove again, but lately I just wait until morning.

Eventually I will burn wood/coal 24/7 but this place is hard to regulate; once the house is warm, it does not take much to keep it there and this stove works well for that. Too well. This is the thing though; this Vogelzang stove was purposefully installed because the stove I had in here last year was too big. That stove, an all wood Ashley circulator, automatically dampened itself down, and to keep the house at a balmy 100 degrees, fit for a true dead-of-winter Maine Nudist Colony, the stove 's draft control was always shut down and the chimney was always running in the 200 degree mark making for some powerful chimney fires at times. We decided the stove was just too big since you could not open up the damper and survive in 150 degree temperatures, and so we brought back the Vogelzang I have used in this house before.

I've done extensive work to the Vogelzang to make it more efficient, as you can read in my thread on modifying a pot bellied stove over in the Maine section, of this forum, in the Community section. That included making the this cheap Vogelzang stove air tight, adding a latch and even fitting the stove with a bi-metal spring automatic damper. Oh I have done some creative tinkering on this stove to get it to work, but I think my house is just so small, and so well insulated, that if I keep burning wood/coal there is no way I can keep it comfortable without opening doors and windows.
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:44 am

When the inlaws come up (shudder...shudder again) I could be really crazy and just let my propane boiler run for a few days. The problem with that is, I have radiant floor heat in my home and it takes a lot of propane to get the concrete slab up to temperature. Once it is up to temperature, it takes very little propane to keep it there, but wood/coal is still cheaper. It does not really make sense to run my boiler for only a few days.

I think eventually, the answer to my problem of keeping my house at an even temperature is to convert one of my coal/wood stoves to heating water that gets tied in with my radiant floor heating system. That is a very expensive, state of the art heating system that uses low water temperatures to heat my house. It uses a computer to monitor the temperature outside, the temperature of my floor, and the water returning from my radiant loops. From that the computer determines, and the meters, how hot my water going through my floor is in order to keep the house at an even temp. Most of the time this water is only 76-80 degrees.

I am thinking if I can fabricate one of my stoves to heat a large volume of water, I can supply my main boiler loop with hot water that my state-of-the-art heating system then controls to keep my home comfortable.

Right now my current method of using a woodstove alone to heat my house with radiant floor back up heat just does not work. The problem is, the air in the house gets so warm that the thermostats that control the radiant floor heat think the rooms are warm enough, and do not allow the boiler to put heat in the concrete floor. Then when the stove is no longer burning, the temp drops off and the boiler comes on, BUT with radiant floor heat, it takes so long to heat up the concrete floor...about 24 hours, you get a dip in temperature. I think the only way to combat this is; use a stove that provides heated water to the main loop of the boiler, and when the stove is not running, then the propane boiler takes over. In that way, the floors are always warm...and controlled!
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:28 am

You're getting me confused??? You're burning wood??? coal??? I've found in my 200 yr old, broken up , insulated, newer windows, etc.let's call it 3000 sq old farm house, with the my Hitzer 50-93 & one ceiling fan going, I keep the whole house at a comfy 72*. Sounds like you need to experiment more with the stove you've got. You have made some outstanding updates to it & there is no reason why she can't maintain a nice even heat flow. I've been lit up for 3 weeks now & just idle along during the day & crank her up a tad with metalllic rear flap at night. You've created a real nice updated stove there, you need to let her do what she does best--make a choice---wood or coal. I also burned wood for about 40 yrs & rarely had problems with being run off due to , what'd you say--" a balmy 100* " I don't think so-- toothy Posting a pix of what I'm heating just to give you an idea. Try the KISS method.
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: Chuck_Steak On: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:50 am

NoSmoke wrote:When the inlaws come up (shudder...shudder again) I could be really crazy and just let my propane boiler run for a few days. <snip>
... It does not really make sense to run my boiler for only a few days.


Doesn't make sense?
How much is keeping peace with the wife and outlaws worth? :o

Dan
(41 years married.... same woman, same outlaws...
trust me, a few bucks is worth it!!!!)
;)
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: carlherrnstein On: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:52 am

I thought that with anthracite the heat output was controled by the amount of air the fire could get. So either you have a leak under the grate that is letting unmetered air in or you have a crazy draft that is pulling a ton of air through the fuel bed.

Do you have a mpd? or a baro?
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Re: Got the Word Today: No Coal

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:48 pm

Just to be clear I burn both wood and coal. I usually start with coal (3-4 pounds) then switch over to wood.

Now that I think about it, too much draft might be a problem. I noticed with this Vogelzang Stove, it has a straight pipe from stove to cap where as the other stove had an elbow in it. I live on top of a hill and just cleared/bulldozed 10 acres behind the house...maybe the cleared land is giving this stove plenty of draft that the other did not have???
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