Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:53 pm

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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: mason coal burner On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:35 pm

This is because people incorporate with the united states . They signed a contract with them so now they have to live by there rules . There is no law that says you have to incorporate with the united states . Look it up the UNITED STATES is a corporation not a country .
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:55 pm

There are more jobs today than there were when he came into office...that's something the last President cant say.
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: rockwood On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:48 pm

The total number of people employed right now is about the same as it was in Jan '09.
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:49 pm

Davian wrote:There are more jobs today than there were when he came into office...that's something the last President cant say.



Part time, seasonal and minimum wage and people dropping out of the job market. I read his jobs bill he had last year there was nothing in there that would give any incentive to hire any new employees. If anything he makes it less likely that arge lower skill seeking employers would look for full time employees. In fact there are a few that are cutting back on hrs with employees to avoid the Obama care rules for full time employees. He talks about all these electric cars and gives billions to one company thinking it would spur some type of electric battery technology boom, Guess what that company took the money and ran other companies looked at the capital that was given to one company and said how could we compete in that market when we didn't get any free money'. Obamanomics don't work.'Create a monopoly and hope other companies would try to compete? Oh yea that will work!
I agree bush wasn't an economic intellect but I at least had respect for him and a lot of his programs did work to stimulate the economy. Our economy was heading in the wrong direction before him as well. Our federal govt is way too large and our state and local govts are working towards the same pattern.
Obama is for larger government. Romney is for smaller federal government.
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:04 am

Oh yea heating oil was around or under 2 bucks a gallon when obama took office as well.
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Coalfire On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:29 am

Flyer5 wrote:Oh yea heating oil was around or under 2 bucks a gallon when obama took office as well.




Considering the buisness your in isn't it a good thing heating oil is $4 a gallon :lol:
That is Obama spreading the wealth, he is taking customers from the oil companies and sending people your way to buy your products :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:49 am

Coalfire wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:Oh yea heating oil was around or under 2 bucks a gallon when obama took office as well.




Considering the buisness your in isn't it a good thing heating oil is $4 a gallon :lol:
That is Obama spreading the wealth, he is taking customers from the oil companies and sending people your way to buy your products :rofl: :rofl:


It is good for business but I also don't like to see people struggle just to stay warm which is how I got into the business that I am in. So I really don't like to see oil this high.
That is good maybe I will vote to Obama he does seem to be good for business. NOT!
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:07 am

There are many jobs available here in Chattanooga, but they pay 9/10 bucks and hr. I have spoken with business owners and they are not expanding because of:
1. The economy
2. Obamacare
3. The election and its effect on #1 & 2
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:31 am

Odd thing is when gas was over $4/gal under Bush it wasn't his fault but under Obama everything is his fault. Bottom line is under our system no POTUS has much say about the global price of oil, why can't some get past that? If we pump every ounce we can it would be sold to the highest bidder no matter who, what we have to do is learn to use less not pump more & use more.
There was a big Plastics Plant in Andover, Ohio that went out about 10 years ago according to a council person, nothing can be done with that place due to some kind of bank or bankruptcy proceedings, point being once jobs are gone they are gone. Even if another Co. could come in & use that plant (which was stripped) it would be modernized & the need for people to work would be far less, it's the price we pay with every downturn.
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:36 am

samhill wrote:Odd thing is when gas was over $4/gal under Bush it wasn't his fault but under Obama everything is his fault. Bottom line is under our system no POTUS has much say about the global price of oil, why can't some get past that? If we pump every ounce we can it would be sold to the highest bidder no matter who, what we have to do is learn to use less not pump more & use more.



Where were you living at that time ?
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: jpete On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:38 am

samhill wrote:Odd thing is when gas was over $4/gal under Bush it wasn't his fault but under Obama everything is his fault. Bottom line is under our system no POTUS has much say about the global price of oil, why can't some get past that? If we pump every ounce we can it would be sold to the highest bidder no matter who, what we have to do is learn to use less not pump more & use more.
There was a big Plastics Plant in Andover, Ohio that went out about 10 years ago according to a council person, nothing can be done with that place due to some kind of bank or bankruptcy proceedings, point being once jobs are gone they are gone. Even if another Co. could come in & use that plant (which was stripped) it would be modernized & the need for people to work would be far less, it's the price we pay with every downturn.


No one blamed Bush? Are you kidding?

Does the phrase "No war for oil" ring a bell?
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: samhill On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:51 am

I wasn't on here then & actually in the process of still moving here from Pittsburgh area but at the time there was an uproar over gas prices & as I recall people were blaming big oil more than Bush. Don't get me wrong there was some blame but nothing like now & it never ends, just another thing to cry about for some. Does anyone really believe having our system is going to lower the price no matter how much we produce unless there aren't enough foreign flagged vessels to haul it?
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:07 pm

samhill wrote:I wasn't on here then & actually in the process of still moving here from Pittsburgh area but at the time there was an uproar over gas prices & as I recall people were blaming big oil more than Bush. Don't get me wrong there was some blame but nothing like now & it never ends, just another thing to cry about for some. Does anyone really believe having our system is going to lower the price no matter how much we produce unless there aren't enough foreign flagged vessels to haul it?


I actually don't feel prices are that high vs inflation.( It does put a hardship on families ) The problem is the pay scale has been been left behind and not kept up with inflation. Exactly what I bitched about would happen when they passed NAFTA . If we over produce oil here it will drop the prices, look what happened to Nat gas. There is a lot of oil in the US. They even say under where I live is a huge oil deposit but very deep and expensive to get to, so the only way they will go after it is when prices go higher. Then they will over produce and price will drop. Just the typical supply and demand at play. Its not Obama's fault or Bush's.

On a side note watching the news it did not seem like there was any price gouging going on at the pumps at least not the stations they showed. I am sure there will be some.
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Re: Government is not the solution, Government is the problem

PostBy: Davian On: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:53 pm

Flyer5 wrote:Oh yea heating oil was around or under 2 bucks a gallon when obama took office as well.


What was it before the economy crashed in Sept 08?
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