Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: wsherrick On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:32 am

The mayor of NYC is denying help from the National Guard because they have guns. Story below.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/11/03/thursday-report-bloomberg-wouldnt-let-guard-brooklyn-over-their-possessi
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:29 am

hes a total jackass
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:41 am

Kinda leaves me speechless & you guys know that don't happen often. :(
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:02 am

Hard to find anything other than what I consider as true as the supermarket checkout tabloids but I did find this unreliable source, http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118422 in reality for disaster relief even if they have secured weapons somewhere close NG Troops go in to help & get dirty, you don't see them leaning their weapon against a wall when they go to offer assistance. Now if they get the call for riot or Marshall Law action everything changes. Don't know for sure but I would venture to guess a Mayor wouldn't have much say if the Governor orders in the NG. & since their are troops from several states involved IMO it's just more Bloomburg bashing (not that he doesn't deserve some) but as I said elsewhere this is not the time for petty political bickering.
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: Davian On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:08 am

To be fair, the ROE for those Guard guys could just things messier than they already are. Soldiers, even weekend warriors, aren't law enforcement. Asking them to act as such doesn't usually end well. Perhaps activate an MP BN and send them in as at least they have police experience. Sending the average 11B in to deal with things might not work out too well.


EDIT: I am not bashing 11Bs at all, just saying that Infantry aren't trained for that type of operation. As a Vet, I have nothing but the highest respect for my fellow brothers-in-arms.
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: freetown fred On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:00 pm

Good point--things are working so WELL as it stands--NOT-- they've got bloomerberg on thier side :(
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: Davian On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:07 pm

freetown fred wrote:Good point--things are working so WELL as it stands--NOT-- they've got bloomerberg on thier side :(


Trust me, I'm not defending Bloomberg at all here. His comments are idiotic as was his waffling on the marathon. I'm just saying that tossing Nat Guard guys in might not really help anyway.
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:24 pm

Then we can assume you are not on the ground there without arms or other means of self defense. I is not your opinion that counts but the people affected.

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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: Davian On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:43 pm

KLook wrote:Then we can assume you are not on the ground there without arms or other means of self defense. I is not your opinion that counts but the people affected.

Kevin


I do have a bunch of friends/family on the ground there and I have quite a bit of military experience too. I'm not talking out of my 4th point of contact.
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: KLook On: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:30 pm

I'd argue with you about it but I can see you are Sam's replacement so why bother?

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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:20 am

If you would bother to read the NG is in there & doing their job & doing it well. Bloomburg is a Mayor nothing more, he can't order the guard in or out only request. As always they go where needed & get the job done be it peaceful or warlike & we should all be thankful for them. :up:
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: KLook On: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:23 am

There ya go, Sam waving the flag again. Same old same old. You always retreat to that when you have nothing to contribute. Guess you only watch MSM because the people on Fox have relatives and friends in there and NOTHING is being done in the harder hit areas. Oh yeah, O is playing basketball today. Sort of like Nero.

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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:08 am

I will fly & wave the flag until the day I die, what problem do you have with being patriotic? The link I posted has listings of where & what the guard has been doing up to that date, I'm sure there are revisions by now & the guard is there doing their job with or without the blessing of a mayor. Prove me wrong if you like but make it better than a tabloid or a "i know someone that says".
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: SMITTY On: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:18 am

samhill wrote:Hard to find anything other than what I consider as true as the supermarket checkout tabloids but ....

Did you bother to click any of the multiple highlighted references in that link Sam? Like this one? http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/35 ... 02_bk.html
It's all right there in black and white. They put those there so you can verify the information yourself.

Bloomberg is a liberal douche that has no business as Mayor of ANYTHING. His uber-left wing ideology gets in the way of doing the job he's supposed to be doing. NY politicians are much like MA politicians in that respect, so it's no wonder Staten Island is in the shape it's in. These *censored* have no business "leading" anything. They are doing a fantastic job of leading us down the path to SERFDOM. :mad:
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Re: Bloomburg Denies Help From National Guard

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:43 am

Smitty, at no time did I say I'm a fan of Bloomburg. What I said is there are already NG troops in there doing their job, the Governor of a state has control of that states NG unless & until they get activated by the Fed Gov. as in this case for a national disaster & FEMA being in there. Bloomburg can say anything he wants but can't do anything about it. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_commands_ ... onal_Guard
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