George W Bush - The last Republican President.

Rick 386 wrote:I'm not so sure about that......
Chris Christie will run in 2016. His alleged no nonsense, calls it how he sees it style may be just what will get him elected.

The people will have had enough and will not take it anymore.

I strongly disagree. Why would a taker vote for a conservative Republican like Christie? The conservative base of the Republican Party is only 35% of Republican voters.

I Hope you're right w/ that 35%-- sometimes it feels a lot lonelier my friend

G.W. bush was barely a conservative and not one at all in his last three years in office. This nation wasn't relieved of any real regulation or burdensome socialism under G.W., rather, it became more buried under it. Christie is hardly a conservative either. A true conservative is someone who actually believes what he says and explains why what he believes is correct; hardly any known republicans qualify as that today including the latest defeated "conservative" Romney.

Reagan made the case for conservatism to the American people and they understood the logic of his reason, Romney and McCain did nothign of the sort because they couldn't convince others to follow a conviction they didn't even hold. If you are so willing to change what you believe depending on the direction the wind blows, how are you to convince others that your chosen course is the correct one? How do you expect people to follow someone who doesn't even believe themselves? As Maggie said, " you don't win elections by being against things, you win them by being for things".

" you don't win elections by being against things, you win them by being for things". Nice Berlin

Berlin wrote:A true conservative is someone who actually believes what he says ... hardly any known republicans qualify

Translation: Most Republicans are liars.

The problem I believe is that there are two deeply divided sides to the republican party with both being fairly equal in outward strength but not in #s. Probably true of the Dem.s as well but not as close, the party may have to either compromise or split & obviously I don't think there will be a compromise from the extreme side. That's just a view from the outside.

It's true sam as far as I observe---there are to many idiot fanatics on both sides of the aisle & unless they get their heads out of their ass's NOTHING will get accomplished. Damn, I hate it when I have to agree with you!

Actually I never try to change someones mind, I know it's not going to happen but to rather give a different perspective to think about. It seems most here can't do that so they attack but can't change that either. IMO as voters what we can change will take time but we have to make our politicians put referendums on the ballots as several states did this time, Congress is broken so take it out of their hands & put it in the hands of the voters since we no longer get anything but special interest representation out of DC get rid of them when we can & take the decisions away from them & make it state majority rules. It may just work, not quickly but we didn't get down to this low quickly either.

There used to be a time when being a Republican really stood for doing the right things for the good of Country and not being spiteful and blocking everything (good or bad) just to make someone from the opposing party fail. The GOP admits that was the agenda for the past 4 years. They need to man up, step up and work with elected administration, stop with the obstructionist policy where EVERBODY loses. This goes for both parties. We really need to stop the fighting and be Americans and work together for the greater good of all Americans.

SteveZee wrote:stop with the obstructionist policy where EVERBODY loses. This goes for both parties

I wonder if it would help if everybody who considers himself "centrist" would register as Independent rather than Dem/Repub?

It wasn't the Republicans that started everything it was the Democrats when they had the majority started ramming things down the throats of americans. Remember all those closed door meetings Obama had over the health care law. If he can't bring something to the table that at least 2/3rds of the country agree with it should be blocked.

NoSmoke wrote:Well Obama says "there has never been a time to be more hopeful", and oh how true that is.

Today (the day after the 2012 election) is no different then it was on this date in 9000 BC...God is sovereign and he reins. My hope has never rested in a single person, even if he is the most powerful person in the world, but my hope rests completely in the Lord

What does 9000 BC have to do with anything?


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He knows we have never gone to war and taken any acre of land for ourselves, but have scores of lives fighting oppression, fighting injustice, fighting tyrants trying to wipe out his Jewish people. Our wars have never been self-fulfilling, they are for the betterment of the people all around the world...God’s people…everyone.[/quote]


Tell that to the Native American's!

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The outcome of this election may be a surprise to millions of people, but it is not a surprise to God. He has exactly the person he wants in charge of our nation, and like most of this nation, I too voted my hopes; for Mitt Romney, but since God has chosen another leader, my obligation is to trust God and to do as he commanded…just as he commanded the early church who had a far more oppressive government leader…to pray for our leader.[/quote]


Obviously MOST of the nation did not vote for Romney or he'd have been elected. It was the majority of the American people that elected the President.

[quote="samhill"]Actually I never try to change someones mind, I know it's not going to happen but to rather give a different perspective to think about. It seems most here can't do that so they attack but can't change that either. IMO as voters what we can change will take time but we have to make our politicians put referendums on the ballots as several states did this time, Congress is broken so take it out of their hands & put it in the hands of the voters since we no longer get anything but special interest representation out of DC get rid of them when we can & take the decisions away from them & make it state majority rules. It may just work, not quickly but we didn't get down to this low quickly either.[/quote

I LIKE THIS CONCEPT!

SteveZee wrote:There used to be a time when being a Republican really stood for doing the right things for the good of Country and not being spiteful and blocking everything (good or bad) just to make someone from the opposing party fail. The GOP admits that was the agenda for the past 4 years. They need to man up, step up and work with elected administration, stop with the obstructionist policy where EVERBODY loses. This goes for both parties. We really need to stop the fighting and be Americans and work together for the greater good of all Americans.

WELL SAID!

SteveZee wrote:What does 9000 BC have to do with anything?

That is the point, nothing, just like any date in history whether it be 4000 BC, 900 BC or 456 AD...God is in charge and that who I center my hope upon.

SteveZee wrote:Tell that to the Native American's!

They made the same mistake we are making today: a poor immigration policy! Over simplification really, but actually true!

SteveZee wrote:Obviously MOST of the nation did not vote for Romney or he'd have been elected. It was the majority of the American people that elected the President.

You are right, when I typed that out it was just after the election and not all reporting was done. They had Romney winning the popular Vote and Obama winning the Electrorial Vote which still would have given him the Presidency, but you are correct, Obama won both.