Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Joeski On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:57 pm

Short Bus wrote:You probalby have a toilet mixing valve or tempering valve that has failed, to hot.
The toilet that runs ocasionally probalby is leaking, put some food dye in the tank and it will probalby show in the bowl.
This is a example of mixing valve, this one is adjustable
http://www.albrightshardware.com/departments/plumbing-supplies/valves-and-accessories/toilet-tank-anti-sweat-mixing-valve-3-l-x-3-h-x-3-4-w-3-4-mpt.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

Mixing vavles are installed to prevent sweating toilets, and help keep the drainfield form freezing, for the latter I would close a valve in the hot water for the summer.

Each post has helped this here knucklehead named Joeski more & more. Thank you Short Bus and it's looks so cool no pun intended to live where you do.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: freetown fred On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:15 pm

You & me both on pissin outside--I got a serious question--why all the tank sweating??? this house is pushin 200 yrs old--no sweating--I've lived all over this Country at one time or another--no sweating??? even in Vermont--opps, wait, that was an outhouse ;) Point being--I beleive joeski bought that house with elec heat?? might be wrong.
Richard S. wrote:
freetown fred wrote:I guess if you can afford to flush your money down the toilet-- :flush: -- anything is possible--if people are going to feed the PIG that easily, I don't understand all the customer service complaining :( I'll think about all that some morning when I'm pumping that hydrant down at the barn this winter. :whistle:


Fred I'm heating the hot water with coal.... That extra gallon of water every few hours isn't going to amount to a hill of beans, besides I piss outside most of the time. :P
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: 009to090 On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:23 pm

We bought a toilet with a double-lined tank. It never sweated with cold well water piped to it.
But piping hot water to an old toilet usually cures the sweating issue.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: urdahere On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:26 pm

Had the same problem for years. Cold water from the well and the toilet tank sweat all summer. Check out http://www.niagaraconservation.com/wate ... bject=8662 Bought mine at HEP in Cortland and just put another one in my summer home. Works great!

Joe
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:45 pm

freetown fred wrote:You & me both on pissin outside--I got a serious question--why all the tank sweating??? this house is pushin 200 yrs old--no sweating--I've lived all over this Country at one time or another--no sweating???


In my case I believe it's combination of three things. Firstly as I already mentioned the water from the well is very cold, it's cold enough you'll get sweat on a glass right out of the tap. Secondly this is cinder block structure and I think the humidity is higher than most, we have a dehumidifier in the basement and even running it at 50% it runs a lot. Thirdly the humidity retention is compounded by a lot of water in the soil, there is literally a small creek that forms during heavy rains that runs directly at my house off the mountain but I think we have that issue mostly taken care of but the soil has a lot of moisture in it.

We're aren't running "hot" water into the toilet. It's just enough to bring it up to about 70 degrees if I had to guess. This water was enough it was starting to damage the nearby base for the bathroom sink. You can see a lot of damage to the wood if you go downstairs and look up.

---edit---

Also remember my hot water is from the coil in the furnace, a gallon or two isn't going to make a single bit of difference as the idle time can easily make up for that.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:21 pm

A pressure assist stores the water in a plastic vessel that doesn't touch the porcelin tank (or sweat), and really blasts the big cahunas down the line :lol:
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Joeski On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:47 pm

freetown fred wrote:You & me both on pissin outside--I got a serious question--why all the tank sweating??? this house is pushin 200 yrs old--no sweating--I've lived all over this Country at one time or another--no sweating??? even in Vermont--opps, wait, that was an outhouse ;) Point being--I beleive joeski bought that house with elec heat?? might be wrong.
Richard S. wrote:
freetown fred wrote:I guess if you can afford to flush your money down the toilet-- :flush: -- anything is possible--if people are going to feed the PIG that easily, I don't understand all the customer service complaining :( I'll think about all that some morning when I'm pumping that hydrant down at the barn this winter. :whistle:


Fred I'm heating the hot water with coal.... That extra gallon of water every few hours isn't going to amount to a hill of beans, besides I piss outside most of the time. :P


Hi freetown fred the house came with a forced air oil furnace and an oil fired hot water heater that burned out shortly after moving in. When I saw how much an oil hot water heater was going to be to install we decided to get an electric one since it's only usually my wife & I and I thought I would have had the coal burner with a hot water coil in way sooner than than later. It still isn't installed due to many unforeseen venting issues that are driving me crazy.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Coalfire On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:49 pm

AA130FIREMAN wrote:A pressure assist stores the water in a plastic vessel that doesn't touch the porcelin tank (or sweat), and really blasts the big cahunas down the line :lol:



Yeah but without power can a pressure assist refill ??

So the people with out power would have had the cahunas piling up :lol:



Eric
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:10 pm

Coalfire wrote:
AA130FIREMAN wrote:A pressure assist stores the water in a plastic vessel that doesn't touch the porcelin tank (or sweat), and really blasts the big cahunas down the line :lol:



Yeah but without power can a pressure assist refill ??

So the people with out power would have had the cahunas piling up :lol:



Eric


AFAIK they only use the pressure in the line. You have a tank in the tank that fills up and that is all released at once.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:22 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Coalfire wrote:
AA130FIREMAN wrote:A pressure assist stores the water in a plastic vessel that doesn't touch the porcelin tank (or sweat), and really blasts the big cahunas down the line :lol:



Yeah but without power can a pressure assist refill ??

So the people with out power would have had the cahunas piling up :lol:



Eric


AFAIK they only use the pressure in the line. You have a tank in the tank that fills up and that is all released at once.

YEP, no water pressure, my toilet will not flush just like any other.It only fills a bladder to be release at once. They can still be flushed with a bucket of water down the bowl.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:34 pm

If you ever had to replace a two or three layer floor in a tight bathroom, you would NEVER want that job again. Every installation we have done has a tempering valve accessible to clean out periodically(calcium, iron, rust build-up). Many times folks let the sweating go on too long and the joists are half rotten and moldy. It AIN'T a fun job.......it isn't just well water either, city water is less than 53 degrees, too. In case you aren't impressed yet, how about a call where a 'larger man' fell through the floor as the rotten wood gave up. Toilet and cast iron piping were in the basement. Hard to explain those bruises, cuts and blood everywhere......let alone whatever the stage of using the facilities was.

I have tempering valves in my own house, and not because I heat with coal. 1.6 gallon flushes in the new toilets never work on a single flush, so three gallons, plus for each event. The air ballast toilets work GREAT...and scare the kids, too!!!
Don't be too hard on the warm water....especially if there is a bidet in the bathroom.........and DON'T make a big deal about this either!!!! :shock: :roll: :D
Last edited by whistlenut on Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:49 pm

how about a call where a 'larger man' fell through the floor as the rotten wood gave up. Toilet and cast iron piping were in the basement. Hard to explain those bruises, cuts and blood everywhere......let alone whatever the stage of using the facilities was.


Oh my!!!
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: whistlenut On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:54 pm

'Larger, was 580 lbs! Picture that!!!! Fireman came and it was STILL a huge job!!
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:55 pm

:shock: Must I? :shock:
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Re: Is there any reason to have hot water going to toilets?

PostBy: Cap On: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:03 pm

How can well water be any colder than the underground which is 52F-54F? Can it?
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