The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:50 pm

Looks like Texas hit the 25k signature threshold to entitle them to an "official" response.

This ought to be entertaining. :D
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:19 pm

SMITTY wrote:Wouldn't let me create an account there ....??? They don't like me very much. :D

they let me sign...took awhile with that stupid code challange
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: Davian On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:27 pm

lsayre wrote:Constitution aside, in this post Civil War era is it even possible for a State to secede?


Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No really, no.


Secession has never been a viable option under our governmental system. Its been threatened a couple times and tried once. It was even ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS after the Civil War (see Texas v. White & Williams v. Bruffy).

Secession is illegal...barring an Amendment to the Constitution.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:41 pm

Davian wrote:
lsayre wrote:Constitution aside, in this post Civil War era is it even possible for a State to secede?


Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No really, no.


Secession has never been a viable option under our governmental system. Its been threatened a couple times and tried once. It was even ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS after the Civil War (see Texas v. White & Williams v. Bruffy).

Secession is illegal...barring an Amendment to the Constitution.


The Declaration of Independence disagrees.

Besides, the White House took the petition page down. Nothing to see here Citizen. Go about your business.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: chester On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:47 pm

If you voted for the current potus you put yourself before your country.you value material things over a free nation.I never will understand that kind of greed.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 pm

jpete wrote:
Davian wrote:
lsayre wrote:Constitution aside, in this post Civil War era is it even possible for a State to secede?


Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No really, no.


Secession has never been a viable option under our governmental system. Its been threatened a couple times and tried once. It was even ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS after the Civil War (see Texas v. White & Williams v. Bruffy).

Secession is illegal...barring an Amendment to the Constitution.


The Declaration of Independence disagrees.

Besides, the White House took the petition page down. Nothing to see here Citizen. Go about your business.


Its still there 47209 votes.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: jpete On: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:06 pm

It was "down for maintenance" when I looked earlier. :D
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:15 am

Again, there is a petition on this same site--"End the War on Coal" there are 10,930 signatures of the 14,070 needed. I'm not sure what kind of a difference this will make, but doin something is better then just sittin around whining. I signed it & hope people will get on board. As for seceeding, we need to fix what we've got, not open it up to another group of A-holes.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:37 am

freetown fred wrote:Again, there is a petition on this same site--"End the War on Coal" there are 10,930 signatures of the 14,070 needed. I'm not sure what kind of a difference this will make, but doin something is better then just sittin around whining. I signed it & hope people will get on board. As for seceeding, we need to fix what we've got, not open it up to another group of A-holes.



I signed it
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: whistlenut On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:57 am

Got a link to the coal petition?
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:07 am

whistlenut wrote:Got a link to the coal petition?


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... s/0C7HQwzn
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: SteveZee On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:18 am

chester wrote:If you voted for the current potus you put yourself before your country.you value material things over a free nation.I never will understand that kind of greed.


Well the problem was that the other candidate was seen as even more greedy in his personal business dealings and more than that, he refused to be specific about what he was going to do as President. Not enough people had any "faith" that he would change anything or do what he vaugely alluded to, since his stance on almost everything was fluid or had changed 180 degrees since his time as Gov. That and the fact his math was suspect to almost everyone who's made it past 3rd grade, lost him the election.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:18 am

Looks like Texas hit the 25k signature threshold to entitle them to an "official" response.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you guys are a riot, the last I heard was the petition was hanging in the mens room at the WH.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: Davian On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:30 am

jpete wrote:
Davian wrote:
lsayre wrote:Constitution aside, in this post Civil War era is it even possible for a State to secede?


Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No really, no.


Secession has never been a viable option under our governmental system. Its been threatened a couple times and tried once. It was even ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS after the Civil War (see Texas v. White & Williams v. Bruffy).

Secession is illegal...barring an Amendment to the Constitution.


The Declaration of Independence disagrees.

Besides, the White House took the petition page down. Nothing to see here Citizen. Go about your business.


Unfortunately, the Constitution and 200 years of SCOTUS case law don't. The Declaration has pretty much zero bearing on the legality of anything in our country.
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Re: The end of America has begun: TX & LA petition to secede

PostBy: jpete On: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:56 pm

So you don't believe in the "Natural Law" philosophy?

The Constitution list some specific rights but certainly not ALL rights.

It even contradicts itself in the case of slavery for instance. Until the 13th Amendment, the practice wasn't specifically banned and it was upheld by SCOTUS.

But that still doesn't mean it "right".

Natural Law exists despite what any written or unwritten constitution or law says.

By denying the right to succession, you are using Lincoln's argument that a person, or state can voluntarily join a group, but then can never voluntarily leave.

If that makes sense to you, then you might be a statist...
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