Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: beemerboy On: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:41 am

I have a Colman propane camp stove to cook on when we don't have any power. Good when the coal stove is not needed for heat. And easier to light.
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:14 am

AA130FIREMAN wrote:
VigIIPeaBurner wrote:
Around this neck of NJ, we ain't talking about no measly 16 hours of no power! That's a walk in the woods with Sandy dropping them like flies. :poke:

How often does that happen ? And you don't already have an AHS waiting to go to work. Yes their is gas line carb maintenance on gas models, but how long does stove pipe last when their is no heat in the pipe to stop rust, last time I looked stove pipe wasn't cheap either. Why run the gen set all the time, save fuel, if it's cold outside, food will last outdoors.


I hear you! The storm have been knocking out poles,transformers and trees each time. The bulk of the outage has been in the last two years. Just under 12 days last year (2 occurrences) and 13 days as of now ( also two). One storm stresses even more of the system but I'd assume that they're ending up upgrading the old stuff by necessity rather than by plan. I've lived in this local for 34 years and never lost power for more than 14 hrs. and I could count how many outages on one hand if I could remember them. The last two year's outages have been very memorable. Here's the count from the Newark Star-Ledger(NJ's major newspaper), Wednesday November 14, 2012 edition:
  • Utility poles lost: 2011=2,034 vs. 2012 =5,606
  • Trees lost: 2011 = 25,282 vs. 2012 = 113,000
  • Transformers: 2011 = 1,529 vs. 2012 = 2,205
  • Today's Newark Star-Ledger front page list nearly 72,000 "battered homes and business in New Jersey alone."

I did try to think this thru before I made my choices for the install. It needed to be robust yet practical and fit my wife's approval since it sits prominently in a big room. My stove pipe is all stainless double walled to the stainless chimney. The entire set up is on the first floor and away from any dampness. It's not lack of heat that allows acid to corrode pipe but moisture. I know the bad rap SS receives here but my system stays dry and so far after ~12 years in use, no degradation is showing. No AHS here although there is a dealer about 7 miles away. I do have an older Keystoker Koker waiting to get lined in but that's another thread :oops:

I don't know why people run their genny 24x7. I guess they're afraid of not having electricity and are willing to pay for the luxury 24x7. I do put some things out side to take advantage of the cold but at this time of year, the black bears are fattening up for their big sleep. Yes, we have a lot of black bear in these parts. I can't keep the garbage outside for long let alone full coolers.

I have thought this thru and, given the last two years experiences, I could use a stand by genny. I have the coal stove in place to cook on, heat with and clean up with (boil water and micron filter to 0.2 microns if necessary). I could use the convienence of a genny but what fuel to power it with. I have an oil tank in the basement I could use to fuel the diesel tractor and run a PTO genny or I could go stand-alone propane. Decisions, decisions :|
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: Dennis On: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:26 am

VigIIPeaBurner wrote:I have an oil tank in the basement I could use to fuel the diesel tractor and run a PTO genny or I could go stand-alone propane. Decisions, decisions


I little off topic from Larry's thread,but with the new gasoline and now with the new bio-diesel/fuel oil how long can you store that "bio-crap".That's why I'm going with a propane fueled generator.
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: AA130FIREMAN On: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:26 am

A utility worker told me [you punch me in the face, it hurts for a little, hit me in the wallet ,it hurts a long time] He was refering to people calling the state utility comission about the outages. People did last year so the utility co. was on the ball here in my neck of the woods to restore power, so they don't get fined by the state $$$
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: jpete On: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:27 am

VigIIPeaBurner wrote: I could use the convienence of a genny but what fuel to power it with. I have an oil tank in the basement I could use to fuel the diesel tractor and run a PTO genny or I could go stand-alone propane. Decisions, decisions :|


Once everything gets back to somewhat normal, check your local pawn shops.

There are plenty of people who think it will "never happen again" looking to offload the overpriced generator they bought two days before the storm.

I bought mine years before I needed it at a local pawn shop for $175. It's a 5k Generac with a 10hp Tecumseh engine. When we lost power during Irene, I back fed the dryer outlet and powered up my whole house. :D

When I got my power back in a few hours, I brought it up to my in laws and they powered their house for a week before they got electric back.

And I think someone here posed a link for a multi fuel carb so it will work with gas, propane, or NG. The carb is almost what I paid for the generator but it will increase the value of it by much more than that.
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: SMITTY On: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:32 am

If I ever get a still up and running I'll have enough fuel to run the generator - just need to jet UP with that stuff - that'll take some trial & error as I'm sure there aren't many jet options for a generator that stays in one spot. Won't get more than a few hours out of a tank either. Alcohol makes a better drink than fuel. ;)

If you turn the blower off on the Mark series, you can get them hot enough to cook on ... but you REALLY have to crank it up BIG time. Would be much more effective cooking in the ash pan after a reload, or directly in the firebox like Lisa mentioned.
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: tcalo On: Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:19 pm

Try a Coal Chubby. Nice flat top!
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:05 pm

Hi all,

I have been thinking about emergency preparedness and thought I should try to refine my use of the 2 Harman stoves I have. You can't cook on top of them because of the double ceiling. I asked for and got Dutch ovens for Christmas and decided to cook something tonight. Here are the pictures of my first attempts.

I made something my girls scouts called "chicken stuff" but we adults called it much worse - also starting with an s. 2 packages Chicken Raman Noodles, 1 flavor packet from Chicken Raman Noodles, 1 can chicken broth, 1 can cream of chicken soup, 1 can of chicken, peas or carrots if desired. I mixed the broth and soup together and heated it in the stove. Once it was steaming, I added the noodles and flavor packet.

I did all the adding and stirring with the pot in the firebox but I could have pulled it out just as easy. When the noodles had softened I added the chicken and let it cook covered for 10 mins. That timing was perfect. From conception to completion was all of 20 mins.

This is a one quart Dutch oven and it was just a smidgen too small for the recipe but it still worked fine. I didn't know if a 2 quart Dutch oven would fit in the stove so I went smaller. It has to clear the sides with room for my hands. I'll ask for a 2 quart one for my birthday. I also have a 1 pint Dutch oven I thought I could boil water in for clean up. Next up on the menu is biscuits.

Notes: I closed the barro while I was opening and closing the load door. This insured a strong draft moved toxic gases out of the house. I let the stove cool to 200* before trying this. That temperature did not burn the food. If your pot overflows as mine did, some coals are going to stick to the bottom and legs. I didn't expect that but I knew the pot would be super hot so I had my stone ware pizza platter ready on the counter for the hot pot.

These Dutch Oven can also be used in the outside fire pit DK made a few years ago in warmer weather. I'm happy with the results, if was fun and easy.
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: wsherrick On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:46 pm

Very innovative, Lisa. You can basically get a book on fire place cooking and use that for your stove.
Here are a few pictures of cooking on the base heater. These have a built in oven in the top. Perfect for anything to slow cook. Remove the lid in the bottom then you have quick heat for frying and coffee. Here's my good old Corning Ware Coffee Pot peculating away.
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: Photog200 On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:54 pm

I keep a 10 qt pot on top of the Kineo...just remove the swing top. I have no problem bringing that pot of water to a boil. I use the water for doing dishes, etc.
I don't really cook on it because I do have the wood cook stove that I cook on.
Randy
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:48 pm

Photog200 wrote:I keep a 10 qt pot on top of the Kineo...just remove the swing top. I have no problem bringing that pot of water to a boil. I use the water for doing dishes, etc.
I don't really cook on it because I do have the wood cook stove that I cook on.
Randy


I have a pot of water on my stove, too, but it never comes anywhere close to a boil. Warm maybe, boil no. I didn't know much about coal stoves when I got my Mark II. Silly me, I thought I'd be able to directly cook on it after all it is flat. :( Oh well, things worked out ok. I think we are well prepared for an emergency. Lisa
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:52 pm

wsherrick wrote:Very innovative, Lisa. You can basically get a book on fire place cooking and use that for your stove.
Here are a few pictures of cooking on the base heater. These have a built in oven in the top. Perfect for anything to slow cook. Remove the lid in the bottom then you have quick heat for frying and coffee. Here's my good old Corning Ware Coffee Pot peculating away.


That's so cool and much easier than what I have to do to fix a hot meal. I have a list of attributes that I'd want on my perfect stove and a cook top is close to the top. Happy New Year, Lisa
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: dcrane On: Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:08 pm

lowfog01 wrote:
Photog200 wrote:I keep a 10 qt pot on top of the Kineo...just remove the swing top. I have no problem bringing that pot of water to a boil. I use the water for doing dishes, etc.
I don't really cook on it because I do have the wood cook stove that I cook on.
Randy


I have a pot of water on my stove, too, but it never comes anywhere close to a boil. Warm maybe, boil no. I didn't know much about coal stoves when I got my Mark II. Silly me, I thought I'd be able to directly cook on it after all it is flat. :( Oh well, things worked out ok. I think we are well prepared for an emergency. Lisa


for a blazing hot, inexpensive, coal cook top stove.... Crane 44 is pretty good (someone sayed a Chubby and I love Chubby but they are not for cook top use and risk cracking those wonderful castings with one slight overspill :cry: , and the top is only flat in the center), crane 44 is $100.00, big enough to get blazzing heat, small enough to put anywhere, with a large flat 1/4 steel plate directly over the firebed (can place 1 pot of to overhang side for simmer, pot in center for rapid boil, etc.).... did i say $100!!!!!!! :punk:
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:18 pm

As Lisa has brought out. A lot depends on what you mean by "cook". I use an IR gun to keep track of burner temps when cooking on my kitchen range.

If you want to fry an egg or three, no problem on most any stove. 450-500 will do a fry pan for eggs, French toast, grilled cheese, but it won't be anywhere near hot enough to crisp up bacon. The top plates have to be up in the 600-700 range to not have soggy bacon.

Heating small to 2 quart sauce pans for soups is easy, but if you want to boil a large pot of water for a dozen hard boiled eggs, or a big pot big enough for spaghetti for a large family, your going to need some serious heat output and higher temps. Again, you'll need in the 600-700 range.

I have a 2-1/2 qt tea kettle that has the same 8-1/2 inch diameter base as the round stove top plates. I bought it because it has a lot of surface area to soak up heat (and it looks good on an old stove). Even at that, with that plate staying in the low to mid 300 degree range, it keeps the water in the kettle just below a boil. That's ready for making hot chocolate, or tea, or instant coffee, but it needs to be much hotter to get a rolling boil.

Paul
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Re: Which stoves can you cook upon in a pinch

PostBy: franco b On: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:00 pm

What happened to removing the eye and putting the pan directly over the fire? I thought that the eyes with multiple openings were for that purpose.
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