If I were President of the United States I would...

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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:35 am

samhill wrote:Jpete, if you would read what people write rather than putting your own spin on everything (the world according to Jpete) you would have read that welfare jobs would be given by order of ability, while you might have been replaced by a welfare queen I don't think a software engineer would.


I did read what you wrote.

Maybe you should write what was said during that conversation you had in your head that I'm not privy to.

Where exactly did you say the low paid workers would be let go first?

You really think it's cheaper to lay off a low paid worker and pay the penalty to lay him off plus the extra tax to support the welfare queen so you can employ the welfare queen?

Never mind. I don't want to know what goes on in your head. It's way to convoluted.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:45 am

Once again you put your own spin on everything, if you would take notice I stated what people write not what I wrote, if you go back or pay attention I think it was MCB. For some reason you seem to just jump in with certain people (not only me) & your soul objective is to discredit them or anything they write, why not just realize that everyone (maybe anyone) does not think like you & add too rather than just disrupt?
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:10 am

jpete wrote:
samhill wrote:Heck, even many libs like myself go along with programs that allow people to work for their check. The problem is as stated lawyers but I would guess that with much thought that could be fixed, it would be no more slavery than it is extortion now for the tax payer to have to foot the bill to support the slugs that don't but there would even have to be agreements with all those that do work & employ now since they should not be able to be laid off & replaced by a lower paid welfare worker, I think you all know that would be the first thing that would happen if not blocked.


You do realize that there is already a penalty paid by employers to lay people off right?

You think maybe Microsoft is going to get rid of some software engineers and pick up a few welfare queens?

You live in a world I don't even recognize Sam.


No, they'll just fire all their high-priced US workers and farm the work out to India...or they'll bring over 3-4 software engineers from India on H1B work visas and pay them less combined than they were paying the 1 American worker.

I used to work for a medical software company and they did this exact thing over and over and over again.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:28 am

Davian wrote:
No, they'll just fire all their high-priced US workers and farm the work out to India...or they'll bring over 3-4 software engineers from India on H1B work visas and pay them less combined than they were paying the 1 American worker.

I used to work for a medical software company and they did this exact thing over and over and over again.


Thanks for answering a question no one asked.

That's what they do now.

The question is whether they will fire all the workers and hire people on welfare.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:20 pm

jpete wrote:
Davian wrote:
No, they'll just fire all their high-priced US workers and farm the work out to India...or they'll bring over 3-4 software engineers from India on H1B work visas and pay them less combined than they were paying the 1 American worker.

I used to work for a medical software company and they did this exact thing over and over and over again.


Thanks for answering a question no one asked.

That's what they do now.

The question is whether they will fire all the workers and hire people on welfare.


Why would they fire people when there are already jobs that need to be filled? That's a completely asinine argument. Also, the current welfare to work programs already do that sort of job placement (filling vacancies and helping train people on welfare for those positions). Nobody is being fired to help a so-called "welfare queen".
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:01 pm

That's what Sam claims will happen if you force people to work in order to receive benefits.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: rockwood On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:44 pm

samhill wrote: they should not be able to be laid off & replaced by a lower paid welfare worker, I think you all know that would be the first thing that would happen if not blocked.

I agree with Sam. It could easily be done by a company under the guise of reorganization, streamlining, consolidation business strategy.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:52 pm

There are very few dumb labor jobs in this country anymore. I have certainly found that companies want seemingly crazy skill sets to do what I consider "easy" jobs. I have not got the certifications so I am declined for these jobs. My age probably does not help. Do you really think a company is going to lay off a skilled machinist or some one certified in Microsoft for example to hire and train a welfare mutt? It ain't happening here I can tell you. Hell, I am not qualified to drive a forklift or work in a warehouse! :o Don't know how I got so far being so dumb! ;)

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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:39 pm

Jpete, I said that's what some employers would do, if not covered by a labor agreement & a welfare worker that can do the same job(like the victim of downsizing) & hasn't been hired so ended up on welfare. Most on welfare are not there forever or because they want to be & there ends up being some very capable people on welfare perhaps just in the wrong area or too old (I know-not allowed but it's alive & well), I know what I wrote & how you turned it as usual.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:40 pm

samhill wrote:Jpete, I said that's what some employers would do, if not covered by a labor agreement & a welfare worker that can do the same job(like the victim of downsizing) & hasn't been hired so ended up on welfare. Most on welfare are not there forever or because they want to be & there ends up being some very capable people on welfare perhaps just in the wrong area or too old (I know-not allowed but it's alive & well), I know what I wrote & how you turned it as usual.


I know what you wrote too.

there would even have to be agreements with all those that do work & employ now since they should not be able to be laid off & replaced by a lower paid welfare worker, I think you all know that would be the first thing that would happen if not blocked.


When you say "all" you really mean "some"?

Silly me for "turning" what you wrote.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:33 pm

When I say ALL that's what I mean ALL, that making special arrangements for some & not for all will get you in trouble every time. Silly You. You just pointed out exactly what I said you do.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:41 pm

Have another drink Sam. Maybe in the morning you'll realize you are talking out your ass.

First it's "all" then it's "some" then "some" means "all".
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:44 pm

Not talking out of one at all, talking too.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:49 pm

Well that was thoughtful and intelligent.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:09 pm

Then hows this, if I were Pres. I'd work to get a law passed where anyone receiving Gov. help while bad mouthing the very thing they are living off of would become ineligible. For the ones that seem to be able to reproduce without help from the opposite sex the aid wouldn't increase & part of the food stamps (or whatever they call it now) could only be used for child support or the children are removed & mother jailed for neglect. Drug testing randomly & if dirty no benefits, most employers now give drug test, in reality they are Gov. employees so they get them as well, the costs would be more than offset by the savings.
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