If I were President of the United States I would...

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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:15 pm

samhill wrote:Then hows this, if I were Pres. I'd work to get a law passed where anyone receiving Gov. help while bad mouthing the very thing they are living off of would become ineligible. For the ones that seem to be able to reproduce without help from the opposite sex the aid wouldn't increase & part of the food stamps (or whatever they call it now) could only be used for child support or the children are removed & mother jailed for neglect. Drug testing randomly & if dirty no benefits, most employers now give drug test, in reality they are Gov. employees so they get them as well, the costs would be more than offset by the savings.


They tried that in Florida and it ended up costing more than it saved and it showed that a very large majority of recipients don't use illegal drugs. 108 of 4,086 tested positive...2.6% overall. Another 40 cancelled their test...even if you assume (a dangerous word) all 40 cancelled because they knew they'd fail, it still only goes to 3.6%. In the 4 months they ran the program before it was halted, FL ended up losing about $45K overall.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:38 pm

Don't know about what they did there but if it were random the costs come way down & depending on the test the cost now isn't near what it was even a few years ago. I don't know for sure but I was told by junkies that the State of Pa. recognized a drug habit as a disability & eligible for assistance, hopefully that has changed they were just suppling them with a means to support their habit.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:42 pm

samhill wrote:Don't know about what they did there but if it were random the costs come way down & depending on the test the cost now isn't near what it was even a few years ago. I don't know for sure but I was told by junkies that the State of Pa. recognized a drug habit as a disability & eligible for assistance, hopefully that has changed they were just suppling them with a means to support their habit.


The FL testing took place earlier this year and it was 100% to receive benefits. That $45K loss did not include the cost of implementation and the court battle to get it approved.


Random testing would be far more efficient.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: ValterBorges On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:01 am

Davian wrote:
jpete wrote:
samhill wrote:Heck, even many libs like myself go along with programs that allow people to work for their check. The problem is as stated lawyers but I would guess that with much thought that could be fixed, it would be no more slavery than it is extortion now for the tax payer to have to foot the bill to support the slugs that don't but there would even have to be agreements with all those that do work & employ now since they should not be able to be laid off & replaced by a lower paid welfare worker, I think you all know that would be the first thing that would happen if not blocked.


You do realize that there is already a penalty paid by employers to lay people off right?

You think maybe Microsoft is going to get rid of some software engineers and pick up a few welfare queens?

You live in a world I don't even recognize Sam.


No, they'll just fire all their high-priced US workers and farm the work out to India...or they'll bring over 3-4 software engineers from India on H1B work visas and pay them less combined than they were paying the 1 American worker.

I used to work for a medical software company and they did this exact thing over and over and over again.



Actually they are paying enginners from india 100k + in NY, because there is a shortage in specialized software packages.

All we have too do is graduate more enginners here by incentivizing with better loan rates and lower tuition for this and not other categories, so you dont end up with 500:1 ratio of Business Majors vs Enginners.
Phys ED, Home Econ belong in after school clubs programs use the time for more math and science.
Increase school hours by 25%, reduce summer break to 1 month.


1. Flat Tax.
2. More online ED with top teachers broadcasting to 1000s, goal 10% + per year, Replay, and online tutoring available on demand.
3. Explore for Natural resources.
4. Revamp Justice System on both ends.
5. Trim the pork and balance the budget
6. National ID, Revamp voting, get rid of elec. college.
7. Revamp portions of welfare system with work for credits programs and excel to progress programs.
That's just the beginning.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: NoSmoke On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:23 am

I would pass a national law stating that Croutons could be no bigger then 1/4 inch square.

There is nothing worse then going out to eat with your wife, and crunching for 20 minutes on the ginormous croutons they now have in salads, crumbs spilling out of your mouth like an old Holstein Cow while being all dressed up, trying to look prime and proper as the sound of two F-16 going super sonic emanates from your mouth!

After that I would get down to the trivial things like trimming our national debt and getting people back to work. :-)
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:50 am

... demand that I had at my personal bid and call a civilian army (of workfare class peoples) that rivals (not comes close to or equals mind you, but rivals, with the implied meaning here being exceeds) the military.

One way to avoid the possibility of existing union jobs being lost to workfare workers would be to restrict workfare to exclusively WPA scale massive infrastructure building programs that private enterprise would not have been likely to undertake in the first place. Hoover Dam and TVA scale or larger stuff. If your going to go socialist in order to provide jobs, then do it in a big way. Obama wants solar and wind energy to 100% replace carbon based energy. Well, have at it. Build your civilian army of workfare class citizens that rivals the current military and then force it to build FEMA concentration camps in all of the locations where you will be building the new power grid. Then move all of the welfare recipients who volunteered to join workfare and the Civilian Corps rather than being faced with getting nothing (those who did not alternately choose to do the right thing and get out of Dodge and find real jobs) into the FEMA camps they just built, and get cracking at having them build the massive energy grid that will make America great again, exactly per the Obama dream. This is plan A.

Why else would any President boast that he requires and intends to build a civilian army that rivals the current military? The only other reason I can imagine is far more nefarious. That would be for the workfare civilian army to force those of ability and real skills and talents (I.E., the rest of us) into the FEMA camps, and then force the newly interned to make the energy grid dream become a reality. The rallying crys for this would of course be "From each according to his ability to each according to his need!". This slogan would provide the moral high ground required (by the workfare civilian army) for the justification of this undertaking. This is plan B.

Which might it be, plan A, or plan B? Think about it.

In reality I hope this never happens, but i do believe it to be the dream. "Forward!!!"
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:58 am

... write the rule book regarding how and why to properly and sanitarily kill people with remotely operated drones. Congress need not apply. With EO's they have become unnecessary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/world ... ml?hp&_r=0
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:31 pm

... be very concerned with this November 19th Pravda newspaper article out of Russia. Pravda is calling President Obama a Communist straight up in Russia's major newspaper. They are also saying that a nation of primarily ignorant people got him re-elected. Lots of interesting stuff here.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... mistake-0/
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:49 pm

lsayre wrote:... be very concerned with this November 19th Pravda newspaper article out of Russia. Pravda is calling President Obama a Communist straight up in Russia's major newspaper. They are also saying that a nation of primarily ignorant people got him re-elected. Lots of interesting stuff here.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/column ... mistake-0/



Maybe us conservatives will have to move to Russia? :D Not.
It does sound like they are describing Obummer to a T though.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: coalkirk On: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:07 pm

I've purposely avoided the "thoughtful and intelligent debates" section because I don't consider myself either. But couldn't resist this one. I may need to add to my list from time to time.

I would submit a budget that could be passed. Something our current dear leader has been incapable of doing.
I would eliminate the IRS and institute a reasonable flat federal tax on all purchases. That rate would be set in stone and could not be raised arbitrarily. That would eliminate lobbyists and thin the herd of lawyers.
I would defund the war on drugs as it has been an unmitigated failure. Plan to release all non-violent drug offenders from prison. Along with that I would offer for sale some drugs legally through pharmacies. Free treatment programs with a 3 time loser provision. Fail three times and you go to prison for a year. Prison would not be a gym and tv room environment. It would require real work.
I would make welfare available only to those who TRULY cannot work and require drug testing to qualify.
I would end all goverment subsidies to corporations.
I would seal the borders and reform immigration policy to allow only immigrants who can contribute to society, not just to democrat voter roles. All those here illegally would have 90 days to register and start a track toward citizenship. Fail to register, you would be rounded up and deported. Those who register would have to pass a criminal background check to qualify.
I would require mandatory service of at least 2 years in the military or other useful govt service. National Parks, Forest Service, etc.
I would issue federal carry permits for those wanting them without a criminal record or history of mental illness. Commit a crime with a gun and go to jail for 10 years, no parole.
I would remove crazy restrictions on domestic energy development.
While i think education decisions should be left to the states, I would strongly encourage governors to require real achievement to pass from grade to grade. Those who clearly have a limited academic potential would be offered trade school training as an alternative.

On my second day, I would pass a national law stating that Croutons could be no bigger then 1/4 inch square. :D Thanks nosmoke, I like that one.
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:24 pm

I second the motion, show of hands?

Kevin
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:51 pm

coalkirk wrote: While i think education decisions should be left to the states, I would strongly encourage governors to require real achievement to pass from grade to grade. Those who clearly have a limited academic potential would be offered trade school training as an alternative.


No thanks. I already have a few of those with "limited academic potential" in my HVAC class. They can't figure out the dangerous end of a screwdriver and I highly doubt you want them working on your furnace unless you really don't like your house. :)
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:16 pm

No thanks. I already have a few of those with "limited academic potential" in my HVAC class. They can't figure out the dangerous end of a screwdriver and I highly doubt you want them working on your furnace unless you really don't like your house. :)


No fair, you can't suggest a change without offering an alternative for those poor fella's. What would you do with the truly dim bulbs?

Kevin
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: crazy4coal On: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:50 pm

KLook wrote:
No thanks. I already have a few of those with "limited academic potential" in my HVAC class. They can't figure out the dangerous end of a screwdriver and I highly doubt you want them working on your furnace unless you really don't like your house. :)


No fair, you can't suggest a change without offering an alternative for those poor fella's. What would you do with the truly dim bulbs?

Kevin

Give them some tools and send them home to work on their own houses. :blowup:
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Re: If I were President of the United States I would...

PostBy: SuperBeetle On: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:11 pm

KLook wrote:
No fair, you can't suggest a change without offering an alternative for those poor fella's. What would you do with the truly dim bulbs?


Send them clean up trash . Then maybe to Freetown to shovel *censored* :o
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