NSA snooping keeps us safe

Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Rwalker On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:32 am

Ohio is open carry. When I drive through I just pop the clip and lock it up. http://my.opencarry.org/?page_id=103
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:42 am

Thanks RW, I'll look into that funny no one I talked to ever mentioned it, now would I have to bring my gun out in the open or could it still be concealed & just unloaded? I know some states have rules like the ammo has to be out of the passenger compartment (hard to do in a SUV or cargo van-pick-up)other states have outdated laws that were never removed or updated.
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:43 am

One benefit to my profession is that I can "conceal carry" anywhere anytime!
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Rwalker On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:32 am

Yes, thanks to George Bush LEO can conceal carry in every state. I believe it was him who made that bill happen and my LEO friends are very happy about it.

I think there should be a US CCW. Make it tougher to get, but make it available to those of us who can get it.

Open carry friendly states are states that have no laws against open carry, hence you can do it. Will you cause a ruckus when you walk into your local grocery store? Probably, but when the police show up they cant do a damn thing about it. As far as i am concerned, I think nothing would deter crime more then a bunch of citizens carrying sidearms. 8-) Funny how when your local cop is at the store on duty carrying, no one bats an eye cause he is wearing a uniform. But a regular citizen walks in with a sidearm and people are shocked.

Imagine if every citizen was required to carry a sidearm. Crime would be nill. Hard to talk yourself into a home invasion when you know the homeowner is packing.

In Ohio you cant transport it loaded in your car. Pop the clip and separate them. The gun usually goes in the lock box, the clip in one of my bags. If you stop somewhere, strap it on your side in the open. Will you get flack? Sure. But you wont go to jail if the gun is yours and you are not an ex-felon. When the police show up explain to them that you are a CCW in your state and you are practicing your right topen carry for your protection. All the can do is ask you to not to do it, but they cant do anything legally to you. If they try to, dont resist. Call a lawyer and sue the *censored* out of them. There are a TON of state tha accept the PA CCW, do a search online. When we drive to GA every state excet MD does, so we by-pass MD.

New York is a different monster all together. Automatic 1 year if you are caught, unless you have a NY CCW which is a pain the ass to get. My brother lives there and got his and it took FOREVER to get it. they DO NOT accept any other states CCW. New York City is no gun, Chicago as well. Makes you wonder why crime is high in those cities...

My dad aways said the police in the rural areas like they are in are only good for stringing yellow tape around the crime scene. They are rural Tioga County. 2 years ago a 22 year old kid kicked in their front door drunk and high, looking for a place to crash. He was met by my 78 year old father and his .45 Kahr. It took the state police 45 minutes to repond to a freaking home invasion. Imagine if that kid was hell bent on destruction and my dad was unarmed...The kids parents showed up to get him and te cop told them they were lucky. My dad was well within his rights to have killed that kid. Had I had been there visiting, I probably would have.

Keep in mind fellow PA'rs that we now have the Castle Doctrine here in PA as well.

Governor Tom Corbett has signed Pennsylvania Castle Doctrine legislation into law. This common-sense measure permits law-abiding citizens to use force, including deadly force, against an attacker in their home and any place where they have a legal right to be. It also protects individuals from civil lawsuits by an attacker or attacker’s family when force is used.


Pictured left to right, Sen. Rich Alloway, Gov. Tom Corbett, NRA-ILA
Pennsylvania State Liaison, John Hohenwarter and Rep. Scott Perry

“Gov. Corbett and Pennsylvania lawmakers know that law-abiding citizens must have the right to protect themselves when criminals attack without fear of being second-guessed by an overzealous prosecutor,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director, National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action. “Crime victims don’t have the luxury of time when confronted by a criminal and must be able to count on the law being on their side. This new law accomplishes that by removing any mandate of forcible retreat.”

The NRA has led the nationwide movement to pass Castle Doctrine legislation, beginning with Florida in 2005. Pennsylvania is the 27th state to adopt this important measure with overwhelming bipartisan support. House Bill 40, sponsored by Rep. Scott Perry (R-92), passed by a 164 to 37 margin. Richard Alloway, II (R-33), sponsored the companion bill to HB 40, Senate Bill 273, which passed 43-4.

“I am very gratified that Governor Corbett has signed this legislation into law, correcting the grievous error made by the previous administration in denying these long-sought protections to our citizens,” said Rep. Perry. “There are many people who have worked hard to get this legislation to this point, and I am grateful to my House and Senate colleagues and to the National Rifle Association for their support. The time has finally come to return common sense and good judgment to state government, and this legislation is a step in that direction. A criminal should never have an advantage over a citizen who abides by the rules of decent society, and today, we finally achieved the goal of returning the right of self-defense to the law-abiding.”

"Law-abiding gun owners should not have to fear prosecution for acting to prevent a violent crime," said Sen. Alloway, who introduced Castle Doctrine legislation that was approved by the Senate in March. "I am thankful that the General Assembly has taken action to protect responsible gun owners who respond when facing a serious threat from a criminal. I would also like to thank the NRA for their strong leadership and hard work on this effort as it moved through the legislative process.”

“On behalf of NRA members and all gun owners in Pennsylvania, I would like to thank Rep. Perry; Sen. Alloway; and Gov. Corbett for their leadership in helping make Castle Doctrine a reality for Pennsylvanians,” concluded Cox. “This Castle Doctrine bill places the law on the side of law-abiding gun owners who unfortunately become victims of crime – exactly where the law should be.”


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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:57 am

I'm a firm believer in the 2nd & have my concealed permit here in NYS. My personal understanding & choice is to carry precisely as it is headlined--CONCEALED--There are a whole slew of anti gun libbers out here & I know they get freaked out at even the sight of a weapon--maybe for good reason-- look at the media covering every negative incident concerning weapons & the ocassional sick fker that ,per-say, go into a movie theater & 86's a bunch of people for???? & that is most libbers touchstone for current affairs--they don't know nor probably care if I have a concealed permit--I am not fanatical about the concept of carrying concealed--nobody's business but my own.I do not need to feed my ego or firm belief that I am permitted to do it--I think it might be consideration to the people that don't nor ever will get it--like I said, I carry CONCEALED--I have no reason to flaunt. Rw, I'm glad you said that, I have a cordless I've been thinking about hooking up to this commuter--I'll re-think that one. I type bad enough with this plug in one toothy
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:01 am

Rwalker wrote:Yes, thanks to George Bush LEO can conceal carry in every state. I believe it was him who made that bill happen and my LEO friends are very happy about it.

I think there should be a US CCW. Make it tougher to get, but make it available to those of us who can get it.

Open carry friendly states are states that have no laws against open carry, hence you can do it. Will you cause a ruckus when you walk into your local grocery store? Probably, but when the police show up they cant do a damn thing about it. As far as i am concerned, I think nothing would deter crime more then a bunch of citizens carrying sidearms. 8-) Funny how when your local cop is at the store on duty carrying, no one bats an eye cause he is wearing a uniform. But a regular citizen walks in with a sidearm and people are shocked.

Imagine if every citizen was required to carry a sidearm. Crime would be nill. Hard to talk yourself into a home invasion when you know the homeowner is packing.

In Ohio you cant transport it loaded in your car. Pop the clip and separate them. The gun usually goes in the lock box, the clip in one of my bags. If you stop somewhere, strap it on your side in the open. Will you get flack? Sure. But you wont go to jail if the gun is yours and you are not an ex-felon. When the police show up explain to them that you are a CCW in your state and you are practicing your right topen carry for your protection. All the can do is ask you to not to do it, but they cant do anything legally to you. If they try to, dont resist. Call a lawyer and sue the *censored* out of them. There are a TON of state tha accept the PA CCW, do a search online. When we drive to GA every state excet MD does, so we by-pass MD.

New York is a different monster all together. Automatic 1 year if you are caught, unless you have a NY CCW which is a pain the ass to get. My brother lives there and got his and it took FOREVER to get it. they DO NOT accept any other states CCW. New York City is no gun, Chicago as well. Makes you wonder why crime is high in those cities...

My dad aways said the police in the rural areas like they are in are only good for stringing yellow tape around the crime scene. They are rural Tioga County. 2 years ago a 22 year old kid kicked in their front door drunk and high, looking for a place to crash. He was met by my 78 year old father and his .45 Kahr. It took the state police 45 minutes to repond to a freaking home invasion. Imagine if that kid was hell bent on destruction and my dad was unarmed...The kids parents showed up to get him and te cop told them they were lucky. My dad was well within his rights to have killed that kid. Had I had been there visiting, I probably would have.

Keep in mind fellow PA'rs that we now have the Castle Doctrine here in PA as well.

Governor Tom Corbett has signed Pennsylvania Castle Doctrine legislation into law. This common-sense measure permits law-abiding citizens to use force, including deadly force, against an attacker in their home and any place where they have a legal right to be. It also protects individuals from civil lawsuits by an attacker or attacker’s family when force is used.


Pictured left to right, Sen. Rich Alloway, Gov. Tom Corbett, NRA-ILA
Pennsylvania State Liaison, John Hohenwarter and Rep. Scott Perry

“Gov. Corbett and Pennsylvania lawmakers know that law-abiding citizens must have the right to protect themselves when criminals attack without fear of being second-guessed by an overzealous prosecutor,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director, National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action. “Crime victims don’t have the luxury of time when confronted by a criminal and must be able to count on the law being on their side. This new law accomplishes that by removing any mandate of forcible retreat.”

The NRA has led the nationwide movement to pass Castle Doctrine legislation, beginning with Florida in 2005. Pennsylvania is the 27th state to adopt this important measure with overwhelming bipartisan support. House Bill 40, sponsored by Rep. Scott Perry (R-92), passed by a 164 to 37 margin. Richard Alloway, II (R-33), sponsored the companion bill to HB 40, Senate Bill 273, which passed 43-4.

“I am very gratified that Governor Corbett has signed this legislation into law, correcting the grievous error made by the previous administration in denying these long-sought protections to our citizens,” said Rep. Perry. “There are many people who have worked hard to get this legislation to this point, and I am grateful to my House and Senate colleagues and to the National Rifle Association for their support. The time has finally come to return common sense and good judgment to state government, and this legislation is a step in that direction. A criminal should never have an advantage over a citizen who abides by the rules of decent society, and today, we finally achieved the goal of returning the right of self-defense to the law-abiding.”

"Law-abiding gun owners should not have to fear prosecution for acting to prevent a violent crime," said Sen. Alloway, who introduced Castle Doctrine legislation that was approved by the Senate in March. "I am thankful that the General Assembly has taken action to protect responsible gun owners who respond when facing a serious threat from a criminal. I would also like to thank the NRA for their strong leadership and hard work on this effort as it moved through the legislative process.”

“On behalf of NRA members and all gun owners in Pennsylvania, I would like to thank Rep. Perry; Sen. Alloway; and Gov. Corbett for their leadership in helping make Castle Doctrine a reality for Pennsylvanians,” concluded Cox. “This Castle Doctrine bill places the law on the side of law-abiding gun owners who unfortunately become victims of crime – exactly where the law should be.”


This damn cordless keyboard is killing my typing skills! :blowup:


Yes...Concealed carry for LEO's from Bush was a good thing....universal concealed carry would be good as well....but, there again the Fed. would have to get involved...MANY don't like the Fed in their business so I don't think it would ever fly! :(
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Rwalker On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:30 am

Fred- NY is a tough place to practice your 2nd Adm. rights. I feel for you brother, but damn I do love those Adirondacks! This wireless mess skips letters all the time. Just tried to order something online and it skipped couple numbers on my card and wouldnt go through...I was like WTF??? until I realized what happened. Thank God for Lifelock ;)

I wouldnt mind the feds getting involved if I could get a US CCW. It would be worth it. I have nothing to hide...35 years and the only record I have is a 75 in a 55. I did pass on a double line in a construction zone, but the female PSP officer that pulled me over gave me a warning. :D
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:44 pm

Rwalker wrote:Fred- NY is a tough place to practice your 2nd Adm. rights. I feel for you brother, but damn I do love those Adirondacks! This wireless mess skips letters all the time. Just tried to order something online and it skipped couple numbers on my card and wouldnt go through...I was like WTF??? until I realized what happened. Thank God for Lifelock ;)

I wouldnt mind the feds getting involved if I could get a US CCW. It would be worth it. I have nothing to hide...35 years and the only record I have is a 75 in a 55. I did pass on a double line in a construction zone, but the female PSP officer that pulled me over gave me a warning. :D




There are a few bills out there,like H.R. 822 & S. 2188. Congress has passed at least one everything else is stuck with the senate.
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: KLook On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:14 pm

One benefit to my profession is that I can "conceal carry" anywhere anytime!


That is what my State Police Det. buddy thought also when he tried to board a flight home from Alaska,(where everyone carries) and the pilot refused him entry to the plane. And that was that. This was only a few years back.

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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Rwalker On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:30 am

I dont think that law includes airplanes....that may have been the issue!
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: samhill On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:36 am

I think it is more or less left up to the pilot, my B-I-L is a LEO & he checked with the airline before flying to Florida, he naturally was greeted by that pilot & welcomed on the trip back the pilot after first refusing allowed him to board but his weapon was locked in the cockpit.
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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: KLook On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:43 pm

Well, you did say anywhere anytime. Yes, Samhill, it is up to the pilot.

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Re: NSA snooping keeps us safe

PostBy: Davian On: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:56 pm

Speaking of the ineffectiveness of gun laws, I give you this:

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Anyone else picking up on the trend here?
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