Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: grumpy On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:30 am

I can't believe I am going to say this, really I can't, but I have to agree with Obummer in the last debate, not what we spend and not how big the military is, it's what the military can do.. if we can kick ass with less we still kick ass, thats what matters.
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:01 am

grumpy wrote:I can't believe I am going to say this, really I can't, but I have to agree with Obummer in the last debate, not what we spend and not how big the military is, it's what the military can do.. if we can kick ass with less we still kick ass, thats what matters.



I have to say I agreed with him on this as well. He actually had a lot of strong points. I just don't see him acting on much.
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:09 am

Like I always try & get across a POTUS can only do so much & if you have a huge block that refuses to listen to reason for their own personal gain there's not much any POTUS can do.
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: buffalo bob On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:14 am

331camaro wrote:i think everyone is going to have to take a bite of the sh!t sandwich in order for everything to keep going. i wrote a lengthy rant then deleted the whole thing, im sure theres plenty of fat to trim in other areas as well. everyone needs to tighten the belt, and STICK TOGETHER. wether it will happen or not is another question

well said am in total agreement with you...lets start with the obama phones (free cell phones)
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: jpete On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:28 am

samhill wrote:Like I always try & get across a POTUS can only do so much & if you have a huge block that refuses to listen to reason for their own personal gain there's not much any POTUS can do.


Can he propose a budget for Congress to vote on?
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:31 am

bb, I think we'd see a better return concerning pee tests on ALL Govt subsidies--food stamps--the works--if people can't see the importance of doing that, fk em. It's been stated before--legitimate people in need would/ should not get all bowed up over this. Anything to get this Govt spending more under control would be worth it except for the shucksters & bums. But yes--free cell's also. Soooo much could be cut off soooo many programs--
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: 331camaro On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:40 am

oh ya totaly fred, if everyone had to take a wiz quiz to get there benefits they would be cut down huuge. i remember hearing about this in i think it was florida not too long ago, but it got quickly changed back. i really dont think its too much to ask.
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:49 am

buffalo bob wrote:
331camaro wrote:i think everyone is going to have to take a bite of the sh!t sandwich in order for everything to keep going. i wrote a lengthy rant then deleted the whole thing, im sure theres plenty of fat to trim in other areas as well. everyone needs to tighten the belt, and STICK TOGETHER. wether it will happen or not is another question

well said am in total agreement with you...lets start with the obama phones (free cell phones)



"It’s true that government provides free cellphones to the poor and disabled people," the site reads. "But the Obama part is not true as Obama didn’t initiate this program. It’s on the run [sic] since the administration of Reagan."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z2CxWyMe3i
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:52 am

I know that U.S.S. for some reason always waited until they needed at least 20 positions filled before hiring. Many years ago it was no problem (they had a waiting list) they used to interview, test, give a physical & then a tour, pretty much in that order. Now the first thing is the physical & then wait for results (they do the hair test) now they normally send 300 letters out for the physical, about half or better never show & out of the rest they very seldom fill their 20 jobs. Just think of how many would be cut off the Gov. roles. Even more if they did the current employees.
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:03 am

jpete wrote:
samhill wrote:Like I always try & get across a POTUS can only do so much & if you have a huge block that refuses to listen to reason for their own personal gain there's not much any POTUS can do.


Can he propose a budget for Congress to vote on?


Jpete...do you understand the term "lame duck"? Look it up and tell us how many of our POTUS had that AND whether they succeeded in a budget that congress approved! :P
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: EarthWindandFire On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:56 am

I was in the Navy and served aboard a nuclear-powered attack submarine, the USS Hartford. I can only say that in no uncertain terms, that the need for a strong military is not only necessary, but vital for your well-being. The enemy is always off our shore, waiting for the United States to grow weak and unwary of the danger they pose. The threat of a Pearl Harbor like attack is ever present and is planned and practiced by our enemies. Like Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, they know that only a surprise attack against our Navy while anchored will have success and have the greatest chance of a devastating knockout blow or at least maximize ship losses. An aircraft carrier cannot take to the seas without armed escort ships and these cruisers and destroyers built today are susceptible to debilitating damage as seen during the attack on the USS Cole. This is why I have been an advocate for the reactivation of the Battleships Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and the Wisconsin. These ships are true monsters of the sea and are just as capable and battle-ready as they were when first built seventy years ago. Age has only proved what their designers knew, there is no replacement for armor and raw fire-power!
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:04 am

Nice EWF :)
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:18 am

EarthWindandFire wrote:I was in the Navy and served aboard a nuclear-powered attack submarine, the USS Hartford. I can only say that in no uncertain terms, that the need for a strong military is not only necessary, but vital for your well-being. The enemy is always off our shore, waiting for the United States to grow weak and unwary of the danger they pose. The threat of a Pearl Harbor like attack is ever present and is planned and practiced by our enemies. Like Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, they know that only a surprise attack against our Navy while anchored will have success and have the greatest chance of a devastating knockout blow or at least maximize ship losses. An aircraft carrier cannot take to the seas without armed escort ships and these cruisers and destroyers built today are susceptible to debilitating damage as seen during the attack on the USS Cole. This is why I have been an advocate for the reactivation of the Battleships Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and the Wisconsin. These ships are true monsters of the sea and are just as capable and battle-ready as they were when first built seventy years ago. Age has only proved what their designers knew, there is no replacement for armor and raw fire-power!


I, as well, served in the Navy! However, I don't think number of ships and sailors determine whether we are a strong force or not...I do believe that technology plays an important role in our Navy and military in general. One ship today can do the job of 3 or 4 ships of yesteryear. I believe that cuts could be made in the numbers of ships and personnel when replaced with advanced technology! I also believe this to be true with each branch of our armed forces...however, the technology should be tried and true before our tax dollars are spent on it...Examples: the F-22 and F35 fighter jets! Just my opinion though!
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: Ed.A On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:33 am

Full disclosure, part of my living is made by providing parts for Gen. Dynamics in Groton Ct./Quonset Point RI.

They've proven that given the chance and Multiple Build Ship set Contracts these massive weapons systems (Virginia Class Subs) continue to come in ahead of schedule and below budget.

Being more effecient is not a ruse, it can be done.

Chinese subs as well as Russian have been doing an awful lot coastal surveillance and the importance of our Silent Service cannot be undermined by people who don't bother to see if cuts will hurt our national defense.
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Re: Should defense cuts equally be on the table as we approach t

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:39 am

Ed.A wrote:Full disclosure, part of my living is made by providing parts for Gen. Dynamics in Groton Ct./Quonset Point RI.

They've proven that given the chance and Multiple Build Ship set Contracts these massive weapons systems (Virginia Class Subs) continue to come in ahead of schedule and below budget.

Being more effecient is not a ruse, it can be done.


EXCELLENT! :D The Virginia Class is a "class act" by the way! :cheers:
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