Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:02 pm

samhill wrote:Where did I call you arrogant? Let me rephrase that, where did I recently call you arrogant? How old is paper & younger yet paper that could be used as money? You do I'm sure know we use cloth & it's pretty durable, light weight, folds & doesn't make noise plus cheaply replaced when too badly worn. If a new invention comes along that is greatly superior to what it replaces even if it were hundreds of years old it sure wouldn't have a history that goes back before it was invented.


You haven't called me arrogant. Likely too many syllables. But you've made your point.

Trying to duck the issue by getting cute with the definition of "paper" is typical of you.

The Chinese invented paper and they tried to use it as money. I believe Genghis Khan was one of the first. Plenty of history there if that's what you're into. Let me know if you can spend some of his fiat currency down at the local grocery store.
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:15 pm

KLook wrote:
they were paid for their gold, many hid it simply because as now they care more for themselves than their country, they felt they were more important.


And that right there tells you that Sam is a socialist. Wealth belongs to the gov. and only greedy people try to keep it. They must be punished. Funny, my family still has some of that gold. Explains why I am a greedy capitalist.


Yes, those who hid their gold during the Roosevelt gold heist of 1934 were indeed selfish and for very good reason, as there is much virtue in selfishness (rational self interest). Since I covered this subject within a different thread only a few months ago I will not expound upon it here.

I will however ask samhill this question: When everyone owns something in common, who really owns it? For example, if the government says that it is the people who really own Yellowstone Park, and some of those people actually believe they are part owners, and thereby decide to make a geothermal electricity generator out of Old Faithful, what will happen to them for partaking of their ownership? I hope you don't believe that the government is keeping all of our gold in Fort Knox because of its benevolence, or believe that we are all owners of it. What would happen if we decided to ask for a withdrawal of our rightful portion? We would be labeled as self serving greedy kooks who stand against the common good, who's representative is a government that wants us to believe that it is our altruistically benevolent friend. I.E., a government that is a communistic owner of everything that it claims we somehow all own in common (the root word of communist being common). If the good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one, then the one is merely the sacrificial slave of the many, and the many is the common or the commune, and the government is its keeper, and you are living in a communist state. And if the one says that something is actually his he is being greedy and selfish and does he thereby deserve to have the full authority of the law come down upon him at the point of a gun (whereby samhill always at some juncture references that the law of the land [right or wrong, though to him always right] is the ultimate arbiter, so a gun is what they deserve for going against the communist state). Klook is 100% correct in his assessment of samhill.
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:18 pm

Not trying to get cute, just real I think the Swiss were the last to use the gold standard. What I have been saying all along is there is simply not enough gold to replace money. It would end up even worse than now the top few would have it all & there would be nothing for the masses, how long do you think that would last? Worse yet if there was a great new supply of gold the Cayman Islands would soon sink under the weight. :lol:
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:20 pm

samhill wrote:Not trying to get cute, just real I think the Swiss were the last to use the gold standard. What I have been saying all along is there is simply not enough gold to replace money. It would end up even worse than now the top few would have it all & there would be nothing for the masses, how long do you think that would last? Worse yet if there was a great new supply of gold the Cayman Islands would soon sink under the weight. :lol:


Sam, please explain how there is not enough gold, and then separately why you never mention silver?
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:22 pm

lsayre wrote: I hope you don't believe that the government is keeping all of our gold in Fort Knox because of its benevolence


I don't believe there's any gold in Ft Knox. :D
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: samhill On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:31 pm

lsayre, I'll ask once again how do you lay claim to the gold? Gold was not turned in without payment, if you bought something off of me would I still own it? Are you claiming we all own the gold in common? What part of there isn't enough gold is so hard to understand or are you proposing valuing a small gold coin at a much higher value & if so what would all of us lowly mere subjects (of which I would be) that wouldn't even be able to afford a single coin do for money?
I have mentioned silver, it wasn't long ago & wasn't in great detail so I won't go into it now but I do believe I may have been the first to mention it.
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: lsayre On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:38 pm

samhill wrote:lsayre, I'll ask once again how do you lay claim to the gold? Gold was not turned in without payment, if you bought something off of me would I still own it? Are you claiming we all own the gold in common? What part of there isn't enough gold is so hard to understand or are you proposing valuing a small gold coin at a much higher value & if so what would all of us lowly mere subjects (of which I would be) that wouldn't even be able to afford a single coin do for money?
I have mentioned silver, it wasn't long ago & wasn't in great detail so I won't go into it now but I do believe I may have been the first to mention it.


Sam, what did the miners receive in "PAYMENT" for their raw gold or silver back when gold and silver were the only Constitutionally permitted currency in the land. They received back their very own "coined" gold or silver, minus seigniorage. What is so hard about this to understand? It is so simple and moral and honest that I can't explain it any more clearly.

And if you are asking how did others who are not miners lay claim to gold or silver coins, they received them in payment for goods and services, from those who already had some gold or silver coins with which to pay them. Otherwise they bartered. This can't be explained any more clearly either (by me at least).
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:51 pm

samhill wrote:So then the two of you, Klook & Flyer think that it's OK to break a law if doing so betters oneself.



No I do not. I believe in ethics and morals and I live by them.The current administration does not have either and probably most back then didn't either. I do not believe in bowing down to all authority just because in there mind they believe they are the final say. I need reasoning to back it up. Someone wanting something I have just to CYA and feed their greed and mismanagement doesn't cut it. This whole administration is doing this everyday. People by homes they cannot afford with ridicules mortgage terms, then I have to pay. Just like GM too top heavy for years with promises that are no way sustainable. They get in trouble we bail them out. Well I want my car for what I paid them. Does that make me greedy because I don't believe in helping those that don't help themselves be it individuals or Govt. I help a lot of people who deserve it and I don't keep score or expect anything in return.
I love this country and want to see it remain with some of what I enjoyed growing up for my daughter. But people with your attitude keep taking more and more of what I love and am proud of away from me.
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: jpete On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:54 pm

Flyer5 wrote: No I do not. I believe in ethics and morals and I live by them.The current administration does not have either and probably most back then didn't either.


So what you are saying is...

"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law."

~Frédéric Bastiat


More of that fancy book learnin' you can get if you want it. ;)
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:01 pm

jpete wrote:
Flyer5 wrote: No I do not. I believe in ethics and morals and I live by them.The current administration does not have either and probably most back then didn't either.


So what you are saying is...

"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law."

~Frédéric Bastiat


More of that fancy book learnin' you can get if you want it. ;)




Works for Obama.
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: Northern Maine On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:10 pm

One question I have is: What administration has done it right in your lifespan? and How?
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Re: Ron Paul likes price gouging, and the way he explains it, ..

PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:12 pm

Northern Maine wrote:One question I have is: What administration has done it right in your lifespan? and How?


Regan era probably had it the closest.
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PostBy: Northern Maine On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:14 pm

Flyer5 wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:One question I have is: What administration has done it right in your lifespan? and How?


Regan era probably had it the closest.


Did Reagan raise taxes? and Did our debt increase during his tenure?
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PostBy: Flyer5 On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:20 pm

Northern Maine wrote:
Flyer5 wrote:
Northern Maine wrote:One question I have is: What administration has done it right in your lifespan? and How?


Regan era probably had it the closest.


Did Reagan raise taxes? and Did our debt increase during his tenure?



YES, YES. Not at all against raising taxes if the money is appropriately used. He had a standoff against the 2nd world power and won without any major conflict but it was expensive but ended the cold war. He made our economy stronger in the long run. Remember when a savings account actually earned interest?
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PostBy: jpete On: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:25 pm

Northern Maine wrote:One question I have is: What administration has done it right in your lifespan? and How?


None.

And I'm not really happy with the ones before my lifetime too. :D
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