Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: oldpaddy On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 9:15 pm

I've had a coal stove all my life. Only one stove did we have a barometric damper. I hated the barometric damper and removed it after a few years. I live in an area with high winds and I found it messed with the fire more than anything else.
As for a manual pipe damper, what's that? I've never had one. Should I?
I'm 37 years old and have been working a stove since I was a child. Probably around 8yrs old. I'm on my 4th or 5th stove.
Thanks
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 9:32 pm

Are you satisfied w/ how your stove is running? If so, why worry? What kind of stove? I have a MPD in my HITZER & rarely use it--it keeps a lil more heat in the stove & still has enough space around it to let gas's out. I have no need or desire for a baro. I also live on the top of a hill w/ winds. Of course you'll hear from our resident fanatical baro users!! :clap: toothy
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: Lightning On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 9:34 pm

Baro's are God's gift to coal stoves. As for manual pipe damper's, it's that butterfly valve like thing usually in the stove pipe of a WOOD stove.
:woot:
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: oldpaddy On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 9:42 pm

Lightning wrote:Baro's are God's gift to coal stoves. As for manual pipe damper's, it's that butterfly valve like thing usually in the stove pipe of a wood stove.


Not ringing a bell. I wonder what I'm missing out on lol
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: oldpaddy On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 9:46 pm

freetown fred wrote:Are you satisfied w/ how your stove is running? If so, why worry? What kind of stove? I have a MPD in my HITZER & rarely use it--it keeps a lil more heat in the stove & still has enough space around it to let gas's out. I have no need or desire for a baro. I also live on the top of a hill w/ winds. Of course you'll hear from our resident fanatical baro users!! :clap: toothy


I've been using a temp coal 2 for the last ten years. I don't even remember the name of the stoves we used before this one. I remember what they looked like and that they used pea coal. The temp coal 2 is by far the best stove I've had. Other than the shakers and shaker frame, everything else can be fabricated. It's a simple stove, and there really aren't many parts in it. Which is perfect.
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 9:53 pm

According to this: https://www.hearth.com/talk/wiki/tempwood/ the Temp Coal 2 stove is a downdraft stove and I don't think a damper ( manual or barometric) is going to make a difference with it.

EDIT: Or should I say........benefit it.
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: rberq On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 10:19 pm

freetown fred wrote: Of course you'll hear from our resident fanatical baro users!! :clap: toothy
Lightning wrote:Baro's are God's gift to coal stoves.

Fanatic. :!:
Of course, you’re right.

(We’re like the Catholics and the Methodists here, same coal god but eager to dispute details with the unenlightened ones.) :P
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue. Nov. 24, 2015 11:29 pm

Oh No!!!!!!!! :out: :flush:
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 8:52 am

oldpaddy wrote:
Lightning wrote:Baro's are God's gift to coal stoves. As for manual pipe damper's, it's that butterfly valve like thing usually in the stove pipe of a wood stove.


Not ringing a bell. I wonder what I'm missing out on lol

Just the heat you have been sending up the chimney.
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 9:36 am

They seem to be made for stokers & boilers more the hand fired--I know--now I'm in trouble--just sayin from experience. ;)
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: titleist1 On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 9:44 am

The hand feds that have the bi-metallic dampers 'generally' wouldn't need a baro since they already have a temp adjusted air control. I say generally due to the 'depends' disclaimer below.

The hand feds that don't have that MAY be a candidate for a baro to improve their efficiency.

Depends on a few things like the stove / chimney construction / chimney draft / house draftiness / prevailing winds / tree cover / surrounding topography to determine if a manual or baro or both or neither will help or hurt.

and yes, like politics or religion, this tends to be a third rail topic .... :drunk:
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: freetown fred On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 10:09 am

Seeee, I told ya! :clap: toothy
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: Lightning On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 10:17 am

With my outside block chimney and manual combustion air controls, I had a horrible yo yo-ing of heat output before installing a baro. The baro "parted the waters" and was a Revelation with smoothing heat output for my setup.
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: warminmn On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 12:58 pm

The last 21 pages of this topic are all right, and they are all wrong, as every situation/stove/burner/chimney/location/coal is different. Is that a safe answer? :lol:
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Re: Manual Pipe Dampers .. How, Why, When

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Wed. Nov. 25, 2015 1:29 pm

warminmn wrote:The last 21 pages of this topic are all right, and they are all wrong, as every situation/stove/burner/chimney/location/coal is different. Is that a safe answer? :lol:

Almost :eek2: :nana:
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